Fri Feb 20, 2009 12:08 pm
No other crash? Then this info is wrong?
A squadron commander in Afghanistan was fired Friday after the P-3 Orion aircraft he was piloting overshot the runway, crashed and went up in flames three days earlier at Bagram Air Base, Navy officials said. Oct 08
A squadron commander in Afghanistan was fired Friday after the P-3 Orion aircraft he was piloting overshot the runway, crashed and went up in flames three days earlier at Bagram Air Base, Navy officials said. Oct 08
Fri Feb 20, 2009 4:17 pm
437 AMW/315 AMW bird- Not one of McGuire's!
Pilot was probably a PT star, but not very experienced. See, that is what the USAF currently wants- track stars & atheletes- not knowledgable experienced opersonnel who don't fit through their cutout in the wall...
Robbie
Pilot was probably a PT star, but not very experienced. See, that is what the USAF currently wants- track stars & atheletes- not knowledgable experienced opersonnel who don't fit through their cutout in the wall...
Robbie
Fri Feb 20, 2009 5:33 pm
The aircraft is from Charleston AFB:
Fri Feb 20, 2009 6:25 pm
looks like expensive damage, but nobody was seriously injured (unless careers count!)
Sat Feb 21, 2009 1:29 pm
I flew 60002 many times when I was a Charleston, she was a pretty good girl. Judging by what they cost, I'm sure she will be a good girl again in a few years.
I could but the Air Force won't let me...
All four seats on the flight deck had sets of eyes in them including people that had little else to do but check the gear...and this still happened.
I honestly can't tell you the last time I flew in a C-17 with only two pilots and a load. Pretty much the normal compliment is three pilots and two loads due to the duty day. Even in training, if we fly with only two pilots and a load, the load is upstairs for the critical phases of flight.
This accident, like every single other incident I can think of with a C-17 wouldn't have been helped or changed because of the presence a flight engineer. Not once in the three landing accidents that I know of was there an empty seat upstairs. That includes this one, the C-17 that landed halfway on the runway a few years back and the one that went off the runway a couple of months ago.
RickH wrote:I'm sure that Brad could enlighten us more.
I could but the Air Force won't let me...
b29flteng wrote:
Because the USAF don't use Flight Engineers any more. Less eyes in the cockpit.
Of course it wasn't the pilots fault, the sun was in has eyes.
All four seats on the flight deck had sets of eyes in them including people that had little else to do but check the gear...and this still happened.
I honestly can't tell you the last time I flew in a C-17 with only two pilots and a load. Pretty much the normal compliment is three pilots and two loads due to the duty day. Even in training, if we fly with only two pilots and a load, the load is upstairs for the critical phases of flight.
This accident, like every single other incident I can think of with a C-17 wouldn't have been helped or changed because of the presence a flight engineer. Not once in the three landing accidents that I know of was there an empty seat upstairs. That includes this one, the C-17 that landed halfway on the runway a few years back and the one that went off the runway a couple of months ago.
Sat Feb 21, 2009 2:01 pm
Thank-you Brad, for sharing what you can.
Sat Feb 21, 2009 6:38 pm
Those that have, and those that will.
Sat Feb 21, 2009 10:11 pm
Brad, I was referring to one or two accidents. Some people seem to have been confused regarding the Bagram incident thinking there were two seperate aircraft recently banged up.
Sun Feb 22, 2009 12:57 am
Regardless if the line was open or not this would get fixed. BTW, the C-17 program has orders to sustain it for some time. Potential orders in the wings too. Boeing just did a demo in India of both the C-17 and the F-18. Check the trade papers for more info.flyingheritage wrote:I guess the C-17 production line is being kept open for new spare parts now
The gear doors were not open. My understanding is that the first realization of a problem was when it took a very high power setting to try to taxi off the runway.davidbray wrote:Cause to me it looks as though the gear doors are all open... anyone else seeing that?
Tue Apr 21, 2009 9:51 am
Plane arrived in Long Beach over the weekend to begin the permanent repair. It was delayed a few days because the C-130 escort went unserviceable...
Tue Apr 21, 2009 12:20 pm
36 flying hours and six landings to get it to Long Beach.
These pictures came from a friend of mine.
These pictures came from a friend of mine.
Tue Apr 21, 2009 12:27 pm
That cockpit shot is just too funny...ROFL! 
Mon Jun 01, 2009 12:31 pm
C-17 GSP team supports aircraft recovery
A team of more than 120 crash recovery, emergency management, aircraft engineers and maintainers removed a crippled C-17 Globemaster III from the runway at Bagram Air Field in Afghanistan on Feb. 2, 2009.The aircraft received damage on Jan. 30 when it landed without the landing gear extended.
Boeing received word of the damaged Charleston Air Force Base C-17 and immediately sprang into action by deploying C-17 Field Service engineer Robert "R.B." Baldwin to the scene from Al-Udied Air Base, Qatar.
"Our team was under tremendous pressure to clear the runway to allow combat operations to resume," said Baldwin. "Despite this pressure, we successfully got the jet off the ground, lowered the gear, towed it to a ramp parking spot and set the stage for the Engineering, Repair and Modifications team to fix the aircraft enough to fly back to the Long Beach Depot Center facility in California for permanent repairs."
While personnel were in Bagram clearing the aircraft from the runway to resume flight operations, U.S. Air Force Air Mobility Command contacted C-17 Globemaster III Sustainment Partnership leadership to immediately begin mobilizing their contingency plans for recovery operations.
The Boeing recovery team was led by Tom Butler, C-17 Recovery and Modifications (RAMS) Team manager, who was also part of the P-96 recovery, a similar incident at Bagram Air Base in 2005. His previous experience and knowledge of in-theatre logistics and working conditions proved invaluable to this recovery. The team comprises Boeing personnel from the Long Beach Depot Center, multiple domestic Air Force main operating bases, and an Air Force Supply troop from Charleston Air Force Base, S.C. to help manage the parts requirements.
The C-17 suffered major damage to the fuselage belly area, the main landing gear pods and the hydraulic systems; and sustained fire damage as a result of the hydraulic fluid igniting.
The Boeing engineers and RAMS team were in Bagram for 45 days performing the temporary repairs necessary to put the aircraft in a condition that would allow a Boeing flight crew to perform a ferry flight to return to Long Beach for permanent repairs. During this time they encountered snow storms, dust storms and even had to take shelter in a bunker for two and a half hours while the base weathered a rocket attack.
"This team showed their willingness to endure many hardships to ensure that the aircrew received the safest aircraft possible," said Butler. "While the circumstances that took our team to Bagram Air Field, were unfortunate, the camaraderie and work experience shared was invaluable."
Joe Burgess, director of C-17 Maintenance, Modifications and Depot Partnering, explains what sets this support team apart: "This is what our customer expects -- the unique commitment of GSP, Engineering and Flight Operations personnel in Long Beach and our forward-deployed Boeing personnel in the field are what make this Performance Based Logistics contract effective for the Air Force."
The aircraft arrived safely in Long Beach on April 20 and is currently undergoing depot maintenance tasks in addition to receiving permanent repair of the damage resulting from this incident.
"Our skilled personnel will return this aircraft to a fully mission-capable condition for a fraction of the cost of a new C-17, allowing them to keep vital resources at their disposal," said Burgess.
What a shame
Mon Jun 01, 2009 6:22 pm
I agree with Randy, but I am sorry to see that the Air Force can't take care of its planes without help from the contractor. I'm not saying anything against the pilots and personnel who make them fly- our government needs to make a force that is self sustainable in the field . Without that, how are we going to sustain our operations in the future? Bad JuJu- we might as well line them up wing tip to wing tip and wait for the worst.