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Warbird relevance: Patty is the 'generally considered' the #1 current, contemporary warbird pilot in USA.....flies P-51s, T-28s and Texan II at Paris airshow, etc. etc. (per Linda Richman: Go and discuss amoungst yourselves)
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I can only hope she soon truly understands her bad decision and maybe she might think twice the next time. Hopefully she already has .... It would be a shame to lose her, and if she doesn't see the light and change, she just may make the same mistake again ... only with far worse results ... hopefully she'll see and read this thread. (probably not) but she needs to see just how angry people can get by drunk driving ....

Well put!! :prayer: :prayer: :prayer: :prayer: :prayer: :prayer:

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Hellcat, I understand where you are coming from.
Sorry about the loss of your Mom.
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Thanks .... Mom and Dad are looking down trying to find a way to move an object (like a frying pan) and smack me over the head with it, so I better be good now ... :wink:

Meds or booze!! ... hmmmm! :wink: :wink:

IMVHO ..... of course ... You guys want something to occupy your time and not have to read my nonsense? ... or a great example of what would work better as a thread on this website? ... As opposed to this b*llsh*t thread?... here you go ...

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You know, I've felt sorry for her since this all kicked off. I'm sure it all seemed to be an innocent enough thing to do, and she might not have been clear on the whole driving on a runway thing. When I was a kid we used to do 360's in our local mall parking lot after it had rained and the stores had shut down. You know, go real fast, hit the water and yank the steering wheel. As long as you are driving a fairly low slung car (I had an old 64 1/2 mustang) you're just fine. I kept thinking of it that way.

But...She's a grown woman. Her occupation is to take a high performance aircraft and do things with it that require every bit of skill and strength and reaction speed she has to avoid killing herself, and possible people in the audience. And this lady climbed in a car9knowing full well that two tons of metal don't stop if you make a mistake) and got drunk and drove her friends around that way.

And then I remember that my first wife died in a DUI. And both of my mother's parents were killed by a drunk who T-boned them. And I think, "If she was stupid enough to do what she did...maybe she shouldn't be allowed to get behind the stick of an aircraft either," I'm not saying she shouldn't, just that she has shown a lack of judgment that needs to be considered at this point. This isn't a vindictiveness, I'm just not sure I want her doing what she does without someone competent making the looking at the matter.

As for the police who pulled her: I was once dragged by the hair out a car window by a cop. I was asleep in my friends car, in the back seat, when he did an illegal Uturn. When the cop walked up and saw me asleep it pissed him off somehow, and so he turned ugly. He reached in the car window, grabbed my hair and literally pulled me kicking and screaming and punching at the air to make whoever it was let go. Then he charged me with assaulting a police officer. Welcome to the City of New Orleans. Luckily for me, this was after they'd put video cams in cruisers, so he ended up being fired for it.

But I have never since met a cop that I trusted. You can claim to be a decent upstanding and moral officer of the law all you want. I'm sorry if this offends, but in my book all cops are s**tbags until proved otherwise, and then only to a limited extent.

I by experience will never give all my trust to any man carrying a firearm. For a multitude of reasons, when you put a gun in a mans hand everything about him changes from personality to threat level to the simple fact that accidents happen, and around guns, those accidents can be tragic and permanent. I do not care how much training you have and how awesome you think you are. In fact, the mo betta an opinion you have of your gun handling ability, the less I am going to trust you. Heck, I don't trust myself with a gun in my hand. Why would I trust somebody else?

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Spooky, I am not saying they are crooked, but unless you were there, you just can't know: I have friends who are police, and they're great guys. Out of uniform. In uniform, I'll trust them about as far as they can reliably hit me with a 9mm.

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Randy wrote:Generally considered by whom?

Sorry....wrote too fast.....dropped the word 'woman' in that line.
One of the very few women currently flying warbirds, as well.

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Just for the flying part, nothing to do with driving, Patty is one of my favorite acro pilots. My favorite would be whoever had an act that spoke for itself and where there was not a P R flunky screaming over the P A system telling you how great, and one of a kind,never before done in history, physics defying, of course, the act you are watching is. Too many acts now, most of them in fact, seem as classy as a used car salesman who hasn't met his quota on the last day of the month. They are a half step above mass marketing gensu knives on late night TV, or the build up to a World Federation of Wrestling event.

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Amen to that! One nice thing about being a photographer is that I often get to be places where I can watch the action but cannot hear the announcers. I agree that they can often come close to ruining a perfectly good air show (for me at least, of course)...

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When you lose your license in Canada for a DUI, I believe you are not allowed to operate any motorized vehicle, airplanes included (I haven't investigated this to confirm). Is Patty allowed to fly while her license is suspended?


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When you lose your license in Canada for a DUI, I believe you are not allowed to operate any motorized vehicle, airplanes included (I haven't investigated this to confirm). Is Patty allowed to fly while her license is suspended?


Not trying to keep bashing on her, but I would hope she wouldn't be allowed to fly for a while. (what is it? ... 8 months?) This ... IMHO ... I would assume, would really hit home with her. She is an aviator, flying is her life and in her blood, you take away flying, as opposed to driving, .... She gets the true education she needs about driving drunk in a big hurry ..... She'll change her ways ... you can count on that .... She's not a bad person, (I met her once) but she, as with the rest of us, MUST pay for our mistakes. She's no different than the rest of us. She'll make it back to where she was, but there's a path you must take, and a sacrifice you must undertake ... NO EXCEPTIONS!!!! ..... and in my mind, NO PRISONERS!!!! ... joking a bit .... :wink: :wink: :wink:


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Hellcat, I too am sorry about your mom. I lost a girlfriend to it as well. SHe was hit by a DUI driver.

There isn't a single week not one that we don't pull some drunk driver out of a ditch. I have seen first hand the destruction it can cause not only to the family and friends of the person driving, but to the passangers. Also, what do you tell the families of killed relatives that had nothing to do with it, but got hit by a drunk driver. It doesn't fly in my book. We all know the score when we get our license, there are some things you just can't do. Now I'd love to hear from all of the people that bashed the EAA security saying that they were over reacting and Patty did nothing wrong.

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Not trying to keep bashing on her, but I would hope she wouldn't be allowed to fly for a while. (what is it? ... 8 months?) This ... IMHO ... I would assume, would really hit home with her. She is an aviator, flying is her life and in her blood, you take away flying, as opposed to driving, .... She gets the true education she needs about driving drunk in a big hurry ..... She'll change her ways ... you can count on that .... She's not a bad person, (I met her once) but she, as with the rest of us, MUST pay for our mistakes. She's no different than the rest of us. She'll make it back to where she was, but there's a path you must take, and a sacrifice you must undertake ... NO EXCEPTIONS!!!! ..... and in my mind, NO PRISONERS!!!! ... joking a bit .... :wink: :wink: :wink:


It will take time for me to have the respect I had for her before summer, that's for sure.

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Don't worry about the word "respect" worry about the word "education"


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Is she hot..... :partyman:


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Mustangdriver, I can't recall many, if any, people on WIX saying Patty did nothing wrong. Can you furnish the quotes you have in mind?

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Yeah, I'll chime in. We live in a pathetic society of sanctamonious hypocrites just looking to "tear someone down" who THOSE WHO ARE HOLIER THAN THOU have deemed to be "too big". What a joke. PC and BS are the abbreviations that I'd describe current-day America.

Some municipal judge and a few taxpayer [over]paid attorneys and county cops have decided the outcome, so jump up and down. The truth has come out.

Everyone now, in unison, let's all chant "alcohol is evil, those who drink are evil"...and let's see who's cracking open the first beer at the end of the airshow.

I know that one thing about virtually all the aviators that I've known in my life that I respect is that they would give their lives in an instant rather than injure someone while 'operating their craft'. I'd put Patty at the top of that list.

I believe that there were 3 other people in that vehicle that Patty was driving. I don't know who they are, but I'd bet that they'd not have gotten in the vehicle and allowed Patty to drive if the haters' version of these events were true.

No disrespect to those who've lost loved-ones to alcohol-related incidents, many of us have lost someone in similar fashion but I have no doubt in my mind that PWAS never put anyone in any danger, nor would she.

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