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maxum96 · **Posted:** Sat Oct 25, 2008 1:02 am

Bill Greenwood wrote:

Being from N Colo. you may know of a recent case that shows what I mean. An off duty cop is working at a parking lot at a supermarket in Longmont? A lady drives into a handicapped parking space. The white cop angrily confronts the Black woman. She answers him back angrily, they both swear. She has the proper permit, but now he is mad so calls another cop too. The don't want to give the driver a parking ticket, they want combat. They knock her down, may have shot her with a Taser, and also attack her 12 year old daughter, breaking her shoulder. So how old do you have to be to be attacked by an adult male cop? Apparently 12 is enough. Of course the two are arrested and charged with resisting, disturbing the peace, etc. anything they can come up with. The charges are dropped in court. A sorry situation. The real shame of something like this is not that some people in some situations go bad, but that too often other cops and the system cover up the bad apple rather than trying to get rid of it. And the lady may win a civil suit, but guess who pays the cost? It is the taxpayers not the person who committed the violence.

Bill I think you added this after I responded. I believe this happened in the Denver Metro area. I followed that incident with a grain of salt. It was tried in the media. Because of the media's portrayal of the woman and her daughter as "victims", it's possible the DA dropped the charges as it would be impossible to get a conviction at trial even if they were guilty. But I would have to read the actual reports to make a decision if the officer was right or wrong.

I don't believe they won a civil suit. It was settled out of court. Government agencies often do this no matter how right or wrong an employee is in order to avoid paying attorney's fees. I've seen this happen with my own department even though the officers acted correctly and appropriately. The city just figured it was cheaper to settle then to go to trial and win.

Doug

Bill Greenwood · **Posted:** Sat Oct 25, 2008 1:16 am

Doug, as I said I would Never want that job. And drunks can be a pain.

Here is a little humor told to me by one of the cops at Midland. A guy pulls off the freeway there to the bar. He is already loaded but has one more. Then it is closing time. He gets in his car, but misses the exit of the parking lot going back onto the feeder road. His car ends up nose down in the ditch with both back wheels off the ground. When the state patrol trooper drives by he sees this and pulls in . The drunk is in the car, gas pedal well down, and the rear wheels going about 70 mph. The trooper goes up to the guys window. There are two problems, one the guy can't understand how the trooper can run fast enough on foot to keep up with him at 70 mph. The cop has the hardest time actually convincing the guy that he really isn't driving down the freeway, and it is not made any easier when the cop feels like he is part of a Chevy Chase movie and can't quit laughing. I don't think they taught that one in school, but I bet they do now.

By the way my Son wants to be a DA.

maxum96 · **Posted:** Sat Oct 25, 2008 1:56 am

Bill Greenwood wrote:

Doug, as I said I would Never want that job. And drunks can be a pain.

Here is a little humor told to me by one of the cops at Midland. A guy pulls off the freeway there to the bar. He is already loaded but has one more. Then it is closing time. He gets in his car, but misses the exit of the parking lot going back onto the feeder road. His car ends up nose down in the ditch with both back wheels off the ground. When the state patrol trooper drives by he sees this and pulls in . The drunk is in the car, gas pedal well down, and the rear wheels going about 70 mph. The trooper goes up to the guys window. There are two problems, one the guy can't understand how the trooper can run fast enough on foot to keep up with him at 70 mph. The cop has the hardest time actually convincing the guy that he really isn't driving down the freeway, and it is not made any easier when the cop feels like he is part of a Chevy Chase movie and can't quit laughing. I don't think they taught that one in school, but I bet they do now.

By the way my Son wants to be a DA.

That's an oldie, but a goodie! I haven't had a chance to try that one out yet! lol Good DA's are hard to find. Generally you can make more money on the "dark side" (criminal defense) than you can working in a DA's office. But to me there is nothing more pleasing than seeing a criminal getting sent to jail or prison and knowing I helped put him there.

Doug

bobbrunn · **Posted:** Sat Oct 25, 2008 8:37 pm

Patty flew a great show in less than great weather at NAS Jacksonville FL today.

gary1954 · **Posted:** Sat Oct 25, 2008 9:40 pm

In the State of Georgia, you can be charged with a DUI while operating any motorized vehicle, this includes a golf cart,go cart, and even a riding law mower. You can also be charged with a DUI while operating a motor vehicle, while on...now get this...private property. What is govenment coming to??

richkolasa · **Posted:** Sat Oct 25, 2008 10:12 pm

gary1954 wrote:

In the State of Georgia, you can be charged with a DUI while operating any motorized vehicle, this includes a golf cart,go cart, and even a riding law mower. You can also be charged with a DUI while operating a motor vehicle, while on...now get this...private property. What is govenment coming to??

And do you think it might get better after this election?

Rich

P51Mstg · **Joined:** Tue Jan 25, 2005 11:36 am **Posts:** 1202

You can be charged with DUI on private property in most states. The reason is that with a vehicle, you are usually only a short distance away from a highway. Also cars are considered to be "dangerous instrumentalities in most jurisdictions and can cause grave bodily injuries.

Imagine a drunk at your cookout hops in the car and desides to run over his XWIFE's family on private property. You would want a police officer to be able to stop that right?

Mark H

richkolasa · **Posted:** Sat Oct 25, 2008 10:34 pm

P51Mstg wrote:

You can be charged with DUI on private property in most states. The reason is that with a vehicle, you are usually only a short distance away from a highway. Also cars are considered to be "dangerous instrumentalities in most jurisdictions and can cause grave bodily injuries.

Imagine a drunk at your cookout hops in the car and desides to run over his XWIFE's family on private property. You would want a police officer to be able to stop that right?

Mark H

Please don't bother sharing your logic on guns with me. Cripes...

Rich

Matt Gunsch · **Posted:** Sat Oct 25, 2008 10:52 pm

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Imagine a drunk at your cookout hops in the car and desides to run over his XWIFE's family on private property. You would want a police officer to be able to stop that right?

at that point it ceases to be a DUI, and becomes attempted murder, that is a whole different ball game

richkolasa · **Posted:** Sun Oct 26, 2008 12:35 am

I guess the Government should just not allow drinking, oh, wait, they tried that!

Jack Cook · **Posted:** Sun Oct 26, 2008 10:37 am

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Please don't bother sharing your logic on guns with me. Cripes...

Sounds more like reality based upon a professional experience with law and people who've actually tried that :idea:

P51Mstg · **Joined:** Tue Jan 25, 2005 11:36 am **Posts:** 1202

Just telling it like it is..... 3 years of Law School and 17 years of practice and now retirement. Sorry thats the way it works on DUI on private property.

Since it appears a lot of your guys like to drink, I'll give you a tip. Next time the cops come to your house to break up a party, consider this. You can be drunk inside your house without problems. The best they can do is tell you to keep the noise down..... Now, if you get one of them mad and he asks you to step out side so you can "discuss" the matter where it is a lot more quiet, DONT DO IT. Once you are out the front door and on the STREET, you are "in public". Now you are Drunk in Public (Public Intoxication, or whatever they call it locally).... You get arrested for PI....

Its an OLD trick and it works all the time.

Guns........ Run around and shoot drunk all you want. Its not a crime in most states as long as you are on public property.

Mark H

maxum96 · **Posted:** Sun Oct 26, 2008 1:00 pm

P51Mstg wrote:

Guns........ Run around and shoot drunk all you want. Its not a crime in most states as long as you are on public property.

Mark H

Very illegal here here in Colorado. It' called "prohibited use of a weapon". On the other hand, we don't have a state or municipal law dealing with public intoxication. We'll just drag your drunk a$$ off and drop you at detox if you're out in public being a drunk problem child.

P51Mstg · **Joined:** Tue Jan 25, 2005 11:36 am **Posts:** 1202

P51Mstg wrote:

Just telling it like it is..... 3 years of Law School and 17 years of practice and now retirement. Sorry thats the way it works on DUI on private property.

Since it appears a lot of your guys like to drink, I'll give you a tip. Next time the cops come to your house to break up a party, consider this. You can be drunk inside your house without problems. The best they can do is tell you to keep the noise down..... Now, if you get one of them mad and he asks you to step out side so you can "discuss" the matter where it is a lot more quiet, DONT DO IT. Once you are out the front door and on the STREET, you are "in public". Now you are Drunk in Public (Public Intoxication, or whatever they call it locally).... You get arrested for PI....

Its an OLD trick and it works all the time.

Guns........ Run around and shoot drunk all you want on your own property. Its not a crime in most states as long as you are (correction) NOT ON public property.

Mark H

Bill Greenwood · **Posted:** Sun Oct 26, 2008 1:45 pm

Here is an example of how cops and ESPECIALLY DA or courts should use discretion.
At the local Boulder High vs Fairview football game , it has been a tradition to "streak". So a Fairview junior did it Friday. He fell over the fence as he finished and got arrested. Anyway the nut part of it is that he is threatened with having to register as a Sex Offender. This is nonsense, he was a kid doing a prank. This could follow him for years. Hopefully it won't hold up, but in any event if the DA pursues this charge I hope his is an elected position and he is voted out of office and never holds one again.
As a high school kid in Houston, we once burned down our rival school's bonfire before a big game. I never got caught, but it would have been a heck of a thing if I had been charged with arson. Of course nothing of value was damaged, it was only scrap lumber.

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