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 Post subject: Patty update
PostPosted: Fri Oct 24, 2008 2:47 pm 
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As with the last time I posted one of these, this is not meant to get out of control and start arguements. Just to update her current situation from Oshkosh.

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Wonder what that's gonna' do to her image.

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ps. Spooky...I know you don't control the linked page, BUT...I open the link and here's this @$#&^% person staring at me. :vom:

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To quote Mr Burns....Excellent

Hmm...I can't seem to get the President Obama ad to come up again. I keep getting ads for mystery meat, ADHD children and dream vacations.

Okay, all kidding aside, I really hope the outcome from all this isn't as ugly as it's looking.

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I was not at the scene and haven't even talked to anyone who was a direct witness, so I don't know the for sure facts. I don't know if she was speeding or in any way drivng recklessly, other than drivng in the wrong place (the runway). But this charge seems to smell a bit. Was it added for spite when if the other charge was looking bad if it went before a jury?
I could beleive Patty might have been a little fiesty and type A, but she's not exactly Mke Tyson, she weighs about 100 lbs. Is the DA a graduate of the Mike Nifong school of justice and judgement? She certainly does not need a big jail sentence, there are probably enough violent criminals around for the system to concentrate on.
Perhaps only Patty and/or her close friends know if she was just partying a bit, as our society certainly encourages, (look at all the alcohol ads) or if there is more of a problem. If there is, then she and/or her fiends must do whatever is necessary before there is a next time that could be more serious.

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Bill, Technical legal term here is known as "piling it on". You plead to a single lesser charge or we will charge you with everything we can and then you can defend against them all. Someone needs to ask OJ about it in the last case he was in......... Oh yeah, it might be 2058 before he hits the streets again.

I read the articles and something hit me, they said First Offense DUI was a "Civil Matter"....... Here in WV its both criminal and civil. The Judge locks you away and the DMV takes your driver's license.......

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 Post subject: Re: Patty
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Bill Greenwood wrote:
Perhaps only Patty and/or her close friends know if she was just partying a bit, as our society certainly encourages, (look at all the alcohol ads) or if there is more of a problem. If there is, then she and/or her fiends must do whatever is necessary before there is a next time that could be more serious.
Well that's a fair bit of rationalizing! If she was partying, she shouldn't have been driving. If she staggered onto the runway as opposed to driving, the charges would likely have been far different. Maybe she shouldn't be hanging around so many fiends!


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It seems like a fair number of people on this forum would like to see Patty get slammed in this matter. I for one disagree with that logic.

I agree that the DA or someone in that office sounds like a jerk and is out to cause troubleI.....IMHO.

I hope Patty beats this crap 100% and puts it behind her with out any friction from the SS Totenkopf Div. (FAA). 8)


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I've heard a number of folks that she took a poke at the police officer.
I guess she's lucky that she didn't connect :idea:

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I was sitting at my tent in the Antique parking area at OSH around 10pm when I heard this car absolutely flying down the runway. It was enough to make the three of us sitting around enjoying adult beverages to stand up and look what was happening and saw this car (which was a Mustang I guess) go whizzing past on the runway. We all laughed and joked about someone having a good time! Now you know the rest of the story.


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Bill Greenwood wrote:

I could beleive Patty might have been a little fiesty and type A, but she's not exactly Mke Tyson, she weighs about 100 lbs.



Bill, in your opinion what size and weight does someone have to be before they can be charged with resisting arrest? If you're are told you are under arrest and physically resist, then you are breaking the law no matter your size and weight. Unfortunately, if someone is Mike Tyson's size and resist arrest, the officer is probably going to get injured.

On a another note, part of the reason people are usually charged with resisting is to protect the officer and the agency. People who often resist efforts to be placed under arrest end up with bumps and bruises when the officer has to use force to effect the arrest. If the officer didn't charge resisting, it could appear that the officer roughed up someone for no reason.


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darn she's already 57?????? I can't keep up anymore.


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Maxum , nothing happening on my plane at this time, waiting on the insurance company to respond. Thanks for asking. I am sure our current stock market plunge hasn't helped at all.

As for Patty, remember as I wrote, neither of us knows for sure what happened, we weren't there. You can write a law, but there is room for interpretation, and a lot of room for judgment in the application. Here is Patty, about 100lbs, and unarmed. Maybe a little loud, a little tipsy. But most of all not a threat to officer or the public once she is out of the car. She is not some violent meth addict, or gang member with a knife. I think the cop should at least try to calm the situation, not exacerbate it. Not to ignore an impaired driver, either. What I have seen sometimes, is a cop who is trying to enforce the law, but there is a second level that what he really wants is the person he confronts to act like the cop is the most important thing, not the law, but the person. What he (some, not all) really wants is to be an authority figure and have people bow to him. I know cops have a tough job, one I'd never want, and I know some drunks can be a real pain. Wouldn't it be easier being a cop if you only had to deal with nice polite sober people? But no one drafted him to take that job, and discretion and judgment should be part of it. What did the "resist" consist of? Did she drive away after being stopped? Or did she just plead her case, even if a bit loudly? We don't know from here. But I am just a little suspicious when they add this charge later when it looks like they may not get her on the DWI.

By the way she could blame it on Jack. That's Roush, not Daniels, maybe the car was one of his special Mustangs that doesn't know how to go slow.

Being from N Colo. you may know of a recent case that shows what I mean. An off duty cop is working at a parking lot at a supermarket in Longmont? A lady drives into a handicapped parking space. The white cop angrily confronts the Black woman. She answers him back angrily, they both swear. She has the proper permit, but now he is mad so calls another cop too. The don't want to give the driver a parking ticket, they want combat. They knock her down, may have shot her with a Taser, and also attack her 12 year old daughter, breaking her shoulder. So how old do you have to be to be attacked by an adult male cop? Apparently 12 is enough. Of course the two are arrested and charged with resisting, disturbing the peace, etc. anything they can come up with. The charges are dropped in court. A sorry situation. The real shame of something like this is not that some people in some situations go bad, but that too often other cops and the system cover up the bad apple rather than trying to get rid of it. And the lady may win a civil suit, but guess who pays the cost? It is the taxpayers not the person who committed the violence.

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Thanks for the update on your plane.

As far as the charge being added later, that's the District Attorney doing that. DA's very often add, drop, or amend charges after the arrest. I can't speak for the laws in Wisconsin, but here in Colorado you have to threaten to use or use physical resistance in order to be charge with resisting.

You would be amazed how many people who are normally upstanding citizens get out of control when under the influence of alcohol. Alcohol plays into so many of the incidents I handle, and not just DUI's. I arrested a guy in a bar fight once. He was so out of it that after I placed him in my car he asked me why I pulled him over. I had another guy drunk mistakenly go into a neighboring home. When confronted by the homeowner, the drunk refused to leave believing it was his own home and he was acting rationally. The homeowner butt stroked him with a shotgun and put a hole in the guy's lip. The next day the guy woke up in jail and had no idea how he got there or what happened to his lip.

Alcohol impairs your judgment. I can't tell you how many drunks told me that they thought they were driving fine and did great on the roadside maneuvers after I stopped them when they were driving all over the road and nearly fell over on the roadsides. They usually don't believe me when I tell them they did terrible. They'll go to court and say they did fine. That's why a lot of departments use video for DUI arrest.

I've never met Patty. I'm sure she is a fine person. I'm not going to decide on her guilt or innocence through news stories. The media doesn't really care about the truth. They just care about selling their product. Without going into detail, I've seen this first hand. But I do think it's very possible that if she was under the influence she acted irrational and probably felt she wasn't intoxicated. She might even have felt the officer was making an illegal arrest.

Didn't mean to get so long winded, but even if the cop was getting heavy handed (known as badge heavy), it doesn't give Patty the right to resist and fail to comply with a lawful order. As much as I hate to say this, if you ever feel an officer is unprofessional, make a complaint to that department's internal affairs office. Trust me, no department wants an officer who is unprofessional. Several have been fired from my department in the last few years. I have been falsely accused several times of not being professional in my job. I was investigated and put under the microscope even though the complaints were only about my attitude while handling the incidents. I didn't like it, but understand it's our system of checks and balances.

Bill, have you ever done a ride along and see what a police officer's job is really like? Too many people tell me they know all about it because they've watched "COPS". What I do and see day in and day out is so different from what people see in a 30 minute TV show. If you would ever like to do a ride along, send me a PM. I would be happy to take you along. I work for the Greeley PD.


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