Digging into the archives

[mustangdriver]

Man I would kill just to be able to sit in those aircraft and make airplane noises.

Man I would kill just to be able to sit in those aircraft and make airplane noises.

I hate to admit to it, but, it was fun.

Steve

[pfschgo]

I too,saw Mundelien in the very early 70's. Hard to believe that ws State of the Ar then. Ah, youthThanks for the memories, guys.
Paul

[Pogo]

I just spotted this thread a few days ago, and it's taken me a few days to work my way to the end (cuz I live in Hurricaneville, very near LSFM, and have been veryveryvery busy with relief work nonstop ever since youknowwhat came to town). All I can say is: Garbs .. you've done it again, sir! In the future, anytime I hear of airplane pictures and 'Garbs' used together I'm going to sit up and pay attention. And again, I could handle three times as many pictures without ever breaking a sweat. Maybe even four.

[garbs]

Jackdaw wrote

The identity of the individual airframes at the Victory Air Museum is quite tricky.

The museum is known to have had six Buchons

My mistake - since I only saw the one in 1974, I stopped looking in Warbirds Directory after I found N170BG/G-BOML. Sorry for the mis-information - I really have no way to say which of the six was the last one left in Mundalein.

Here's a cropped rear view of this Buchon, from the background of one of the other shots. Not much help - try as I might I can't get Photobucket to resize it back to full screen.



And thanks, Pogo! Glad you enjoyed the thread so far. I am running low on material, though. After this all I have is:

35 years of OSH (1974-present)
6 (or so) years of Sun n Fun
Tillamook
Evergreen Aviation Museum
Fantasy of Flight
AAM-Duxford

I'll vacate this thread now and post the rest of my CAF 1981 shots on last month's "CAF Photos from the Past" thread. Keep up the good work on your relief efforts in TX.

Really enjoyed the discussion!

[Jackdaw]

Somewhere I have a shot of cn no. 195/C4k 135 arriving in Germany for rebuild in the 70's. What we need now is some ids attached to photos of the Victory Air Museum aircraft. Unfortunately other than the well hidden data plate the only id on these aircraft was a painted constructors no. at the top of the instrument panel.

Finally found the shot!



Jackdaw.

[Speedy]

More angles of the Bardahl P-51 racer. According to Curtis Fowles' site, this one took 2nd at Reno 1969, and was also the one that E.D. Weiner died in.

http://www.mustangsmustangs.com/p-51/su ... 4506.shtml

I have heard that he had a heart attack in flight, landed safely and then expired in the cockpit - is that true?

Apologies for bumping a thread from 8 years ago, but I noticed that nobody addressed garbs question about E.D. Weiner's heart attack.

E.D. had not been feeling well in the weeks leading up to Reno 1969. He had been in the hospital and actually decided not to enter the Harold's Club Transcon race with his #14 STP Mustang that year (which was significant, because E.D. was a multi-time winner of the cross country race, and had sponsorship for the cross country Mustang from STP, but nothing for the #49 pylon racer that year).

E.D. pulled out of Heat Race #1 at Reno in the black and yellow checkerboard #49 and declared an emergency landing. He sat in the cockpit for several minutes after shutting the plane down, and was helped out of the cockpit very pale and sweating. E.D. checked himself into a hospital in downtown Reno and they confirmed he had suffered a severe heart attack. He passed away in the hospital the following week.

[garbs]

Thanks, Speedy - never expected to see this thread bubble up again! One can only assume the same happened to Dick James at OSH several years ago, with more disastrous results. I remember the local station interviewed some pinhead on the ground who claimed Mr James was doing aerobatics in the holding formation.

[Ken]

Great thread. Never apologize for bringing the good stuff back up again - I wish we merged and/or continued existing threads on a given topic more often. WIX gold.

Ken

[L-188]

PeterA:

Here's how NX4477N looked when I saw it:



My reference says it eventually went to Yanks A.M as N27385.

The PBY hulk in the background of your photo was still there as well:







I don't see this one in "Warbirds Directory" at all and Googling 'N33RS' returns a Bell Helicopter. Must be a missing digit somewhere.

Here's the Baka bomb - I remember hearing that Mr Reinert had found it himself in a cave in the Pacific at war's end.



Finally (for this posting), here's A-26C (RB-26C) N3248G. According to my book it was still in Reinert's possession as late as 1996.








I'll post the cats & dogs in the next edition, and then move on the EAA-Hales Corners

I knew this looked familiar. I'm the guy standing next to the PBY hulk. Garbs and I went to different high schools together. Been friends ever since. This had to be 1974 or 75. A bunch of us have been attending Oshkosh since high school, but he holds the record for the gang. An unbroken string since 1975. If you go, make a trip through camp Scholler campsite, go to the red barn, go 2 or 3 streets past it take a left, look for the tinfoil hats around the campfire. He throws a he11 of a party

[Mark Allen M]

Man I would kill just to be able to sit in those aircraft and make airplane noises.

I hate to admit to it, but, it was fun.

Steve

Was this you and your wingman?

[L-188]

Man I would kill just to be able to sit in those aircraft and make airplane noises.

I hate to admit to it, but, it was fun.

Steve

Was this you and your wingman?

Why would you hate to admit that? IT LOOKS FUN

[Chris Brame]

Was this you and your wingman?

Oh, that shot is going to cause some double-takes! That's Earl in his P-47M in the background, and Alex in the cockpit mockup in the foreground. It was made of wood and Masonite and fitted out with one of Earl's spare canopies, set up on a little trailer frame. Alex built it for a 16mm home movie he was shooting; something about a P-47 pilot strafing oil tanks and a locomotive. I took these shots of the miniature oil tanks:






It was topped off (no pun intended) by a shot of the pilot's head getting blasted, using Alex wearing an imitation leather helmet with explosive squibs and fake blood underneath. I never got to see the finished version - does it still exist?

Oh yeah - the "Japanese" wreck in the background was the remains of AT-11 N107RS/42-36910 that cracked up at Midway Airport in 1965.

[T J Johansen]

The PBY-6A wreck would be N331RS which sank in Lake Michigan in 1966 I think.

http://aviation-safety.net/database/rec ... 19660827-2

T J

[Lon Moer]

Re. Hurrischmitts

I had the opportunity to look through some old Battle of Britain film prints this evening which included the RAF Buchon's. As you can see there were several variations on the codes applied including two styles of MI T, which suggests they were used on more than one occasion which led to this error with continuity. The hangar shots were I believe taken at Duxford, whilst the exterior views were taken at Bovingdon.

My gut feeling is that the Buchon at the Victory Air museum example had a quick repaint for a low budget movie, but hopefully someone out knows the exact reason.

Jackdaw.

Well, since this thread has been bumped again, I coincidentally happened upon this model kit from Special Hobby;

Buchon Movie Star




Special Hobby 1:72 HA-1112 M-1L Buchon Movie Star Plastic Kit #SH72311*

To resemble Bf 109E in the Battle of Britain movie the Buchons had to be adapted. The wingtips distinctive for Bf 109F and later versions were replaced by squared ones, however to maintain the wing area the wingtips did not end just next to the ailerons outer ends like on the Bf 109Es. The aircraft were equipped with weapon maquettes; fuselage mounted machineguns and wing mounted cannons. The horizontal tail planes were prop ups by struts. The aircraft received fictive Luftwaffe units' camouflages and markings. During the filming became obvious the lack of airworthy Hurricanes so for the filming of bigger formations at least three Buchons were painted over to resemble Hurricanes of Polish RAF squadron. These Hurrischmitts then played extras in the background. The kit of the movie version of th.e Buchon contains two frames with grey plastic parts but different from the Spanish version. The kit contains the wing with movie wingtips, new nose section with machinegun maquettes and the tail plane struts. Decals included offer markings for the Red 10 and Yellow 15 that flew for the German side (both with fictive units' markings) and British Hurrischmitt with MI-T code letters and Polish chess board on the nose.