Tue Sep 23, 2008 9:30 am
Garbs wrote:If my Warbirds Directory is correct, I believe this is HA1112-M1L N170BG. I have no explanation for the RAF paint job
Cool!
As to RAF colours, Buchons appeared in RAF colours in the Battle of Britain film to make up numbers of Hurricanes in the Hurricane segments (The Buchanes or Hurons were kept quiet by the film team for various reasons and there are only a very few and unofficial few photos of them) and there was a Buchon in RAF colours in the risible Peppard film From He11 to Victory, which also had a Spitfire in German colours too, for reasons beyond the wit of man...
(N170BG became G-BOML that was destroyed and Mark Hanna was sadly killed in.
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Tue Sep 23, 2008 10:00 am
I think three or four Buchons were painted up as Hurricanes toward the end of filming.
Shock horror some were painted up as Mustangs shortly after. Patton perhaps?
PeterA
Shock horror some were painted up as Mustangs shortly after. Patton perhaps?
PeterA
Tue Sep 23, 2008 2:58 pm
A couple had British marking on one side and German on the other
Didn't Rienhart also have something at Palwaukee airport
Steve
Didn't Rienhart also have something at Palwaukee airport
Steve
Tue Sep 23, 2008 4:22 pm
Steve wrote:A couple had British marking on one side and German on the other
Steve
Steve,
Why would they do that....on flying aircraft?
The three airworthy Hurricanes plus the excellent rolling statics more than covered the Battle of France segment.
That isn't ringing any bells in the UK.
Can you please substantiate
Peter
Tue Sep 23, 2008 4:45 pm
Zane,
Bardahl decal you photographed on the T-6 is our airplane. Bet the photo was taken at the CAF DFW Wing Warbirds on Parade deal on Saturday, September 6th. Story behind the decal is our T-6G was used as a photo ship for the start of the Harold's Club Transcon races in Milwaukee back in the late 60's (airplane has been in the family since 1966). The famous photo of ED Weiner's Bardahl Mustang and the EAA's P-64 in formation over Milwaukee was shot out of our airplane with Karl Koehling flying it. ED Weiner gave Mom and Dad a couple of Bardahl decals for use of the airplane (cheapskate) and thus Dad stuck one on the side. It's been there since 1969 or so. My excuse for why I've never painted the airplane . . . .
Carl Best
Plano, TX
N9883C
Bardahl decal you photographed on the T-6 is our airplane. Bet the photo was taken at the CAF DFW Wing Warbirds on Parade deal on Saturday, September 6th. Story behind the decal is our T-6G was used as a photo ship for the start of the Harold's Club Transcon races in Milwaukee back in the late 60's (airplane has been in the family since 1966). The famous photo of ED Weiner's Bardahl Mustang and the EAA's P-64 in formation over Milwaukee was shot out of our airplane with Karl Koehling flying it. ED Weiner gave Mom and Dad a couple of Bardahl decals for use of the airplane (cheapskate) and thus Dad stuck one on the side. It's been there since 1969 or so. My excuse for why I've never painted the airplane . . . .
Carl Best
Plano, TX
N9883C
Tue Sep 23, 2008 4:56 pm
Steve wrote:Didn't Rienhart also have something at Palwaukee airport
Steve
This may be relevant. Earl sent me this shot some time in the early 1970's.
PeterA
Tue Sep 23, 2008 5:00 pm
T6pilot wrote:Zane,
Bardahl decal you photographed on the T-6 is our airplane. Bet the photo was taken at the CAF DFW Wing Warbirds on Parade deal on Saturday, September 6th. Story behind the decal is our T-6G was used as a photo ship for the start of the Harold's Club Transcon races in Milwaukee back in the late 60's (airplane has been in the family since 1966). The famous photo of ED Weiner's Bardahl Mustang and the EAA's P-64 in formation over Milwaukee was shot out of our airplane with Karl Koehling flying it. ED Weiner gave Mom and Dad a couple of Bardahl decals for use of the airplane (cheapskate) and thus Dad stuck one on the side. It's been there since 1969 or so. My excuse for why I've never painted the airplane . . . .
Carl Best
Plano, TX
N9883C
Cool story!
Don't apologize for the lack of paint! I kinda like it! Looks like a real working airplane! So what is the story behind the red star?
It was good to see the airplane at Lancaster!
Tue Sep 23, 2008 6:41 pm
Zane,
Thanks for posting the photos of N9883C on static and departing from LNC. Yup, it's a "working" airplane . . .
Hmm, the story behind the Red Star on the tail. Well, a year or two ago I was visiting my friend Terry Rogers up at Grayson County Airport. One of his employees had removed a Russian Red Star decal from an A-4 they had painted in an "aggressor" scheme and stuck it on my tail as a joke. Since it was a used decal, I thought it would blow off on the way back to Aero Country (my home base). Well, it didn't. I was about to peel it off when a friend stopped by and said "the tail of your airplane looks like a Heineken bottle" due to the light green primer being about the same shade as the Heineken beer bottle. So the Red Star has since stayed. Wish I had one on the other side . . . .
Carl
Thanks for posting the photos of N9883C on static and departing from LNC. Yup, it's a "working" airplane . . .
Hmm, the story behind the Red Star on the tail. Well, a year or two ago I was visiting my friend Terry Rogers up at Grayson County Airport. One of his employees had removed a Russian Red Star decal from an A-4 they had painted in an "aggressor" scheme and stuck it on my tail as a joke. Since it was a used decal, I thought it would blow off on the way back to Aero Country (my home base). Well, it didn't. I was about to peel it off when a friend stopped by and said "the tail of your airplane looks like a Heineken bottle" due to the light green primer being about the same shade as the Heineken beer bottle. So the Red Star has since stayed. Wish I had one on the other side . . . .
Carl
Tue Sep 23, 2008 7:11 pm
Hi Carl,
Good to see pictures of your airplane here. I used to live down by you and come out to the airport to work on Mark J's Pitt's. Now that you mentioned an A4 at Grayson County, do you have any contacts for the folks there? I happen to be working on bringing our A4 to life after 16 years resting.
David
WHF Maint
Good to see pictures of your airplane here. I used to live down by you and come out to the airport to work on Mark J's Pitt's. Now that you mentioned an A4 at Grayson County, do you have any contacts for the folks there? I happen to be working on bringing our A4 to life after 16 years resting.
David
WHF Maint
Tue Sep 23, 2008 8:18 pm
"Why would they do that....on flying aircraft?"
When talking to Earl, he said, when the movie was made they would film the same aircraft from which ever side they needed. When they came to Victory Air Museum they wern't flying aircraft.
Steve
When talking to Earl, he said, when the movie was made they would film the same aircraft from which ever side they needed. When they came to Victory Air Museum they wern't flying aircraft.
Steve
Tue Sep 23, 2008 8:47 pm
PeterA:
Here's how NX4477N looked when I saw it:
My reference says it eventually went to Yanks A.M as N27385.
The PBY hulk in the background of your photo was still there as well:
I don't see this one in "Warbirds Directory" at all and Googling 'N33RS' returns a Bell Helicopter. Must be a missing digit somewhere.
Here's the Baka bomb - I remember hearing that Mr Reinert had found it himself in a cave in the Pacific at war's end.
Finally (for this posting), here's A-26C (RB-26C) N3248G. According to my book it was still in Reinert's possession as late as 1996.
I'll post the cats & dogs in the next edition, and then move on the EAA-Hales Corners
Here's how NX4477N looked when I saw it:
My reference says it eventually went to Yanks A.M as N27385.
The PBY hulk in the background of your photo was still there as well:
I don't see this one in "Warbirds Directory" at all and Googling 'N33RS' returns a Bell Helicopter. Must be a missing digit somewhere.
Here's the Baka bomb - I remember hearing that Mr Reinert had found it himself in a cave in the Pacific at war's end.
Finally (for this posting), here's A-26C (RB-26C) N3248G. According to my book it was still in Reinert's possession as late as 1996.
I'll post the cats & dogs in the next edition, and then move on the EAA-Hales Corners
Tue Sep 23, 2008 9:06 pm
Great thread - keep them coming!
Thanks Steve, that's interesting. Certainly I think that some aircraft in the Battle of Britain film carried different letters/numerals on the sides on occasion, but I've not seen reference to Luftwaffe one side and RAF on the other elsewhere, and all the refs I've got (including shots showing the upper wing surfaces) indicate one overall temporary RAF scheme on the Buchons. My presumption was that the Battle of Britain Buchons-as-Hurricanes were in temporary schemes that wouldn't be evident even with paint wear after the fact.
Peter - yes, a set of Buchons were mocked up as Mustangs for the Patton film; but not actually used. Mr Brown has photos.
Steve wrote:"Why would they do that....on flying aircraft?"
When talking to Earl, he said, when the movie was made they would film the same aircraft from which ever side they needed. When they came to Victory Air Museum they wern't flying aircraft.
Thanks Steve, that's interesting. Certainly I think that some aircraft in the Battle of Britain film carried different letters/numerals on the sides on occasion, but I've not seen reference to Luftwaffe one side and RAF on the other elsewhere, and all the refs I've got (including shots showing the upper wing surfaces) indicate one overall temporary RAF scheme on the Buchons. My presumption was that the Battle of Britain Buchons-as-Hurricanes were in temporary schemes that wouldn't be evident even with paint wear after the fact.
Peter - yes, a set of Buchons were mocked up as Mustangs for the Patton film; but not actually used. Mr Brown has photos.
Tue Sep 23, 2008 9:12 pm
Here's the last ones, as long as I'm at it tonight.
A C-45/Twin Beech
Some vehicles & gear
The better part of a 1946 C-140
The nose section of a T-33 with a single canopy sitting on top
And the only airworthy planes in the bunch:
A C-45/Twin Beech
Some vehicles & gear
The better part of a 1946 C-140
The nose section of a T-33 with a single canopy sitting on top
And the only airworthy planes in the bunch:
Tue Sep 23, 2008 9:23 pm
PBY is BU64002 N331RS
Steve
Steve
Tue Sep 23, 2008 9:25 pm
Hard to think only 34 years ago...mis spent youth. And those planes were hard to find! You could, however, get up close and personal with them.
Thanks for the memories, and please keep them coming!
Paul
Thanks for the memories, and please keep them coming!
Paul