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At first i thought that jet was a banshee, then i got a better look at it and it looks like a iskra.

It's neither, it's a Temco TT-1 Pinto.


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What is a P-38-5LO?

Great Pics! Thank you for posting.


I think that it should read P-38L-5LO to be correct. That would mean that its a Block 5 in the "L" series. And built by Lockheed "LO".

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That is a Temco TT-1 Pinto bought by Lewis Shaw was modified and restored by Nelson. From Nelson's website....It is now called an EJ-1, I assume for Ezell Jet-1?
http://www.ezellaviation.com/Past%20Pages/ej1.htm

"The original J-69 engine, which produced 930 pounds of thrust, was replaced with the more powerful GE J-85-17A, this more than tripled the thrust to 2,850 pounds. Also important was improving the fuel system which was very limited in a trainer model. Adapting Boeing wet wing technology and tip tanks from a Mitsubishi MU-2 doubled the capacity and allowed a flight ranges of 800 miles. 7,000 feet of wire were ran to update and add a new IFR avionics package."

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[quote="jlittle2"]Hi Lynn....I still have over 965 pictures yet to review and get loaded up on the site......so keep your eye's open over on Flickr, .....(I shot over 1600 pictures and on initial review 1500 may be good enough to eventually post up, if Flickr will let me post that many !!!)

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As Tow-Mater would say "Dadgum!" Dakota is my dog by the way, but she was at the house that afternoon.


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[quote="slinky"]That is a Temco TT-1 Pinto bought by Lewis Shaw was modified and restored by Nelson. From Nelson's website....It is now called an EJ-1, I assume for Ezell Jet-1?
[url]http://www.ezellaviation.com/Past%20Pages/ej1.htm[/url]

"The original J-69 engine, which produced 930 pounds of thrust, was replaced with the more powerful GE J-85-17A, this more than tripled the thrust to 2,850 pounds. Also important was improving the fuel system which was very limited in a trainer model. Adapting Boeing wet wing technology and tip tanks from a Mitsubishi MU-2 doubled the capacity and allowed a flight ranges of 800 miles. 7,000 feet of wire were ran to update and add a new IFR avionics package."[/quote]

Hi Slinky! Me and Randy were just talkin about you the other day, were yer ears burning? :lol: :roll: The pictures of the jet on the website over the lake I'm in the back, man what a kick-ass ride :!: :!:


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LOL!!!! Naw, they wern't burnin' too bad! Talk away! Hope all is well with you two. I tried e-mailin' Randy not too long ago but they were returned. He may have another address....
Some of my fondest airshow memories are from that little ole airfield in Texas. I'd love to fly my Citabria down and see the place again. Mark Howard was talking about flying his PT-26 down there! Formation flight!!!!! When is the P-38 due to leave and will it be broken down and shipped? I'd love to see it in the flesh before it leaves....
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[quote="slinky"]Great pix of some real beauties! Lefty's old P-38 is just unbelievable!!! I think my jaw drops everytime I see it!
I do have a question I've been wanting to ask.... Why are the radiators painted silver? In all the threads I've never seen that addressed unless I just missed it. They look like metal in the radiator pix on Nelson's site except #7 where they kinda look like fiberglass??? They made the oil cooler scoops from scratch, I just wondered if the radiator housings were too complex to polish?
Don't get me wrong, I love the hard work and beautiful job they did.... and you are right about the yoke cover....way cool!!![/quote]

The radiator fairings are original and made of steel for heat purposes, they are painted in a heat resistant paint for the same reasons.


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Well I'll be.... that makes sense. It doesn't detract from the restoration at all but I have been curious about it for a long time. Thanks for the explanation Steve!

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Hi Slinky,

Nope, she is going over in the air. Red Bull has a gentleman who has an excellent history of making flights like these over water (100+), but she has a couple of places to stop on her way out.

I believe it is due to leave Tuesday or Wednesday of this next week.

I think the flight will be great after looking at the interior of the cockpit. Just a fantastic job by Mr. Ezall's group.

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Hi Lynn....I still have over 965 pictures yet to review and get loaded up on the site......so keep your eye's open over on Flickr, .....(I shot over 1600 pictures and on initial review 1500 may be good enough to eventually post up, if Flickr will let me post that many !!!)

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1,600 :shock: :shock: holy moses :shock: :shock:
As Tow-Mater would say "Dadgum!" Dakota is my dog by the way, but she was at the house that afternoon.


He would also say that the visit is not official unless she see you. As Tow Mater would say that she would be happy as a tornader in a trailer park :shock:

Lynn


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OK, well I guess that means a return trip to Breckenridge. I thought he was talking about that fun little white haired pup that was running around and having a great time with all the people around.

Lets see I can maybe get to DFW....but I would have to hitchhike the rest of the way west. Then I would need a hanger to sleep in.....but that is OK too. And more photographs !

I think I can get a plan like that in motion..... :D

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Beautiful pictures.
But two things com to mind.
One. I have never seen a P-38L model with the slim nacelle intakes under the spinners that the early P-38A to H models had. I may not be an expert, but I have seen a lot of P-38 photos in my years, and this does not click.
Two. Anyone out there have any info as to the route and timing of the ferry flight (I assume that it is flying over). We up here in Iceland would like to receive it warmly and document the stopover in case it comes via Iceland. Will be a little bonus after having Glacier Girl abort on us last year.

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[quote="baldursveins"]Beautiful pictures.
But two things com to mind.
One. I have never seen a P-38L model with the slim nacelle intakes under the spinners that the early P-38A to H models had. I may not be an expert, but I have seen a lot of P-38 photos in my years, and this does not click.
Two. Anyone out there have any info as to the route and timing of the ferry flight (I assume that it is flying over). We up here in Iceland would like to receive it warmly and document the stopover in case it comes via Iceland. Will be a little bonus after having Glacier Girl abort on us last year.

Baldur[/quote]


Hello Baldur, those early chin scoops were installed by an early Thompson trophy racer(can't remember the owners name at the moment) This is the former Lefty Gardner "White Lightning". The scoops were left on when Mr Gardner owned it. Flying Bulls wanted those type scoops back on it.
Check out star-telegram.com they have a couple articles recently. When the main page opens up scroll down to videos theres one there, then just type in search for P-38, sorry I don't know how to put in direct links :oops: He should be coming through your neck of the woods sometime this week :!: Could you post pics when he does?


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This has been posted....

WWII fighter brought back to life for another flight overseas
By BILL HANNA
billhanna@star-telegram.com
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24-08-2008
S-T/RODGER MALLISON
The restored P-38L Lightning is towed out of the hangar in Breckenridge,
about 100 miles west of Fort Worth. S-T/RODGER MALLISON


BRECKENRIDGE — For more than three years, the P-38L Lightning has been
sitting in a nondescript hangar, slowly being brought back to life bolt by
bolt.
Just one of six still flying, the World War II-era fighter built by Lockheed
will trade its humble West Texas airfield sometime next week for the sleek,
all-glass Hangar 7 in Salzburg, Austria.
Once there, it will be the centerpiece of the Flying Bulls team funded by
billionaire Dietrich Mateschitz, co-founder of the popular Red Bull energy
drink, to promote the beverage.
Mateschitz, 64, who Forbes magazine says is worth $4 billion and ranks as
the world’s 260th richest man, has assembled a fleet of 34 planes and
helicopters, including a Douglas DC-6B airliner and a B25J Mitchell bomber.
Hangar 7 also includes several bars and a high-end restaurant, where a new
celebrity chef takes up residence every month.
"This plane will be the featured attraction along with the B-25," said
Siegfried "Sigi" Angerer, the chief pilot for the Flying Bulls. "It will be
the only P-38 in Europe. It’s going to get a lot of attention when we get it
over there."
The Flying Bulls team started 20 years ago after Angerer took Mateschitz on
a sightseeing flight. Angerer later was asked to paint a red bull on his
plane and he agreed. In time, Mateschitz would return, seeking flying
lessons and eventually help acquiring planes.
"Every one is always going to be the last one," Angerer joked.
To get the plane to Austria will require a 7,500-mile journey across the
North Atlantic to Greenland, Iceland, the Isle of Lewis in Scotland’s Outer
Hebrides, Germany and finally to Austria. The four-day journey will require
25 hours and 5 minutes of flight time.
"I can’t have any head wind," said Angerer, who has made two-dozen treks
across the North Atlantic. "I only have 4 1/2 hours of fuel and the leg
[from Iqaluit, formerly Forbisher Bay, Canada] to Greenland takes 3 1/2
hours. You can’t mess around out there."
Nelson Ezell, owner of Ezell Aviation, the Breckenridge company that
rebuilds warbirds, described restoring the P-38 as a monumental task but
refused to detail the cost other than to say it was a "multimillion-dollar"
project.
"It’s one of the most unique challenges we’ve ever done," said Ezell, who
formed his company in 1986 and has done dozens of historical-aircraft
restorations. "This plane has generated more attention than any other we’ve
ever worked on.
"We put an entire new skin on it. We had to build a number of parts here by
studying old manuals and borrowing parts from a P-38 at the War Eagles
Museum in El Paso. It was a very complex job."
The plane has created a buzz among aviation enthusiasts across the country
who have followed its progress on the Internet and stop by the Stephens
County Airport for a look.
Among them was Breckenridge resident G.L. DuBose, a 67-year-old retired
schoolteacher.
"Modern technology left it behind but never surpassed it," DuBose said as
the plane taxied down the runway. "That’s a beautiful piece of technology
right there."
So much so, that Lockheed Martin has given the F-35 joint strike fighter the
added moniker of Lightning II after the fork-tailed devil, which saw action
in the European and Pacific theaters during World War II. The original
Lightning was versatile enough to be used as a fighter, bomber and
reconnaissance plane.
Perhaps the best known P-38 is Glacier Girl, which was buried under a sheet
of ice in Greenland. Along with five other P-38s and two B-17s, it was
forced to make an emergency landing in 1942. Glacier Girl was restored to
flying condition and now makes appearances across the U.S.
DuBose and other onlookers are disappointed to see the Flying Bull P-38
leave the United States.
Before an engine fire forced a 2001 crash landing in a cotton field near
Greenwood, Miss., the plane was known as White Lightnin’ and was a staple at
air shows and air races all over the United States.
But any misgivings should be offset by seeing it fly again, said Larry
Gregory, president of the Lone Star Flight Museum in Galveston.
"Being a proud American, you can be selfish and want to keep these in the
United States," Gregory said. "But the folks at Red Bull keep these planes
flying and professionally maintained. One of my pilots has even flown it and
says it’s amazing."
Angerer hopes it will be the last one added to the Flying Bulls collection,
and he has advice for anyone trying to duplicate the effort.
"I get asked if a millionaire could do this," Angerer said. "I tell them not
even close. It takes a lot of money — a lot of money — to do this."
BILL HANNA, 817-390-7698

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Great pictures! Thank you.

I wish they kept the original panel layout on the P-38.


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