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Ha Ha we are so not right. :lol: :lol:

:lol: :lol: So true! Aviation often creates strange bedfel...ummm, nevermind.. :roll:


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Curious coincidence, I did have a Mustang 'Sally'( '70 bronze Mach 1) back then...Tho she was correctly 'plumbed'.:wink:
Wish I'd've had the 440 idea back then... :D

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I love the Mustangs as there is so much you can do with them. I have a 440 Magnum in the 69 charger, a Hemi in my new charger, and a 302 in the stang.
Aviation has some real characters in it, although I am accused of being one of them from time to time.

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Theres always the old Jimmy Buffet classic 'Horizontal bop' or the lines in his 'pencil thin moustache'

And mustangdriver-you still ain't told us who's been putting the 'chrome horn ' to your Charger, maybe something faster, like a Shelby 500KR??
And whats so wrong about 'puttin' her down on the numbers?'

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Airshow pilot Patty Wagstaff (or her representative) will appear in court in Oshkosh on Sept. 2 to face two charges relating to the incident on a runway at Wittman Regional Airport July 31. According to court records, Wagstaff is charged with first offense drunken driving and failure to submit to a sobriety test. If the second charge is proven, then it amounts to an automatic conviction on the first. Wagstaff has denied she was impaired by alcohol on that night but does admit to taking a wrong turn and ending up on the runway.
In a statement to AVweb earlier this week, Wagstaff mentioned the lack of physical proof of impairment. "I do deny the allegations," she told AVweb. " And, I did not do a breath test, a blood test or a field sobriety test." EAA security personnel first stopped Wagstaff and three others in her vehicle on the runway and called Winnebago County Sheriffs, who took Wagstaff into custody.


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I don't know why I've suddenly become interested in this story, but I am. AvWeb did not update the story today (or at least hasn't yet) as the editor said they would today. So I did something highly unusual -- I picked up the phone and called the Winnebago County District Attorney. No luck. I got voicemail.
Kansas.com reports Wagstaff is still scheduled to perform there this week.
Wagstaff says she wasn't given a test at the scene of the alleged incident in Oshkosh. But what wasn't clear is if she was asked to take one, but refused. If it's the latter, that has some significant consequences for pilots.
Under Part 61, she can have her pilot's certificate suspended.
Update - The DA's office never called me back (Wisconsin stateworkers, you know.) But AvWeb confirms my suspicions. The reason Wagstaff says she wasn't given a sobriety test is because she refused a sobriety test.

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She did the right thing,unless they got her on video slobering drunk they will have no case that was the whole idea of dash mounted car cams.


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Jack Cook wrote:
But what wasn't clear is if she was asked to take one, but refused. If it's the latter, that has some significant consequences for pilots.


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Wagstaff is charged with first offense drunken driving and failure to submit to a sobriety test.


Seems pretty clear to me. Ouch.

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She did the right thing,unless they got her on video slobering drunk they will have no case that was the whole idea of dash mounted car cams.


Depending on the state laws, most places have an "implied consent" law which says that you automatically consent to taking a sobriety test simply by having a drivers license and exercising the privileges of the license (e.g. driving).

So, you don't have to have consumed a drop of alcohol...but if you are asked to take a field sobriety test and you refuse...that's breaking the law.


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The big issue here is that several witnesses said that the incident was non-friendly (if not hostile) from both the security and law enforcement side. If she felt she was being pigeonholed, I can understand her unwillingness to take any sort of sobriety test, especially if she proved to be even slightly impaired but not legally so. She may have felt that the incident would have only gotten worse, and this is an issue especially because of the possible certificate action that can be taken if she was ticketed for any alcohol related offenses.

I think she did the right thing by taking it to court. It allows the full facts to be vetted by the legal system, including any dashcam video that would prove whether security and/or law enforcement mishandled the situation. While it won't prove that the situation was mishandled from the beginning, it will show whether it was only made worse by those who responded.


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In Oregon you refuse and your license is automatically suspended for 1 year.
Her saying I'm innocent because they have no proof because she refused testing not quite correct :idea: oops :roll: :roll: :?

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In Oregon you refuse and your license is automatically suspended for 1 year.
Her saying I'm innocent because they have no proof because she refused testing not quite correct :idea: oops :roll: :roll: :?


Jack, that's not what she or her lawyer is saying. That's people making idle speculation.


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She will lose her license for 6 mth's, but will be givien a work permit and will not be convited of DUI.


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She will lose her license for 6 mth's, but will be givien a work permit and will not be convited of DUI.


If her licence is suspended, that is a conviction, right? They cannot suspend your licence for no reason.

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CAPFlyer wrote:
I think she did the right thing by taking it to court.


Depends on how the court views refusal to submit to a field sobriety test.

Wisconsin law says:

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A refusal [to take a sobriety test] on a first OWI offense will result in a one-year license revocation and a 30-day waiting period for an occupational license.


So, unknown what that means to someone with a presumably out-of-state license. Also, the implied consent code make specific reference to "Wisconsin's highways"...I wonder how that applies to a county-owned airport like Wittman?


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How does all that affect your pilots license???

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