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My thanks to farmvburg and CAPflyer and appologies to all, I'd just finished teaching a hands on riveting class to a box full of doorknobs last night when I posted the GLOBE entry, I guess I slipped the groove, but if you've never made a mistake you either ain't doing anything, or you're a liar- :shock:

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LOL.

What's interesting was that there were more than a dozen TEMCO/Globes built while there was only one XSN2J and two XNQ-1s built and now only one Globe and one XNQ-1 remains (and thankfully both are airworthy).

I just wish we had an XT-45 still around. That would have been a great trainer had it been accepted (instead of the whole thing cancelled). Odd thing trainers - we seem to have a problem actually awarding contracts for trainers. We hold plenty of competitions and have plenty of good competitors, but then no one wins and all that money goes to waste (for the most part). It's sad, but at least we know it's not changed in 50 years...


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LOL.

What's interesting was that there were more than a dozen TEMCO/Globes built while there was only one XSN2J and two XNQ-1s built and now only one Globe and one XNQ-1 remains (and thankfully both are airworthy).

I just wish we had an XT-45 still around. That would have been a great trainer had it been accepted (instead of the whole thing cancelled). Odd thing trainers - we seem to have a problem actually awarding contracts for trainers. We hold plenty of competitions and have plenty of good competitors, but then no one wins and all that money goes to waste (for the most part). It's sad, but at least we know it's not changed in 50 years...


??????XT-45, the T-45 is in current production/use, are you referring to the T-46?

The true primary training competitors to the T-34 were the Temco Model 33/58 Plebe and the Ryan Model 72. The T-31/XNQ-1 and T-35/TE-1 simply got lost in the transition from conventional to tri-cycle gear, as did the XSN-2J in the advanced training category.

The XNQ-1 would have been a GREAT sport plane, the R-680 is a fine engine but re-engined with a 985 or M-14 it would have been a performer.

And let's not forget the Beech T-36, two built never flown because the contract was cancelled hours before first flight.

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Gil - you are correct (man, I'm not doing well with designations lately), I was thinking of the Fairchild XT-46.

I do agree that the XNQ-1 had great potential as a sport-type aircraft. Maybe someone will get the patterns and build some. :)


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I've never seen a pic, only a brief description, but wasn't the Ryan 72 a Navion with tandem seating under a full bubble canopy? ISTR the description I saw said it still existed somewhere.


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LOL.

What's interesting was that there were more than a dozen TEMCO/Globes built while there was only one XSN2J and two XNQ-1s built and now only one Globe and one XNQ-1 remains (and thankfully both are airworthy).

I just wish we had an XT-45 still around. That would have been a great trainer had it been accepted (instead of the whole thing cancelled). Odd thing trainers - we seem to have a problem actually awarding contracts for trainers. We hold plenty of competitions and have plenty of good competitors, but then no one wins and all that money goes to waste (for the most part). It's sad, but at least we know it's not changed in 50 years...


??????XT-45, the T-45 is in current production/use, are you referring to the T-46?

The true primary training competitors to the T-34 were the Temco Model 33/58 Plebe and the Ryan Model 72. The T-31/XNQ-1 and T-35/TE-1 simply got lost in the transition from conventional to tri-cycle gear, as did the XSN-2J in the advanced training category.

The XNQ-1 would have been a GREAT sport plane, the R-680 is a fine engine but re-engined with a 985 or M-14 it would have been a performer.

And let's not forget the Beech T-36, two built never flown because the contract was cancelled hours before first flight.

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The Ryan Model 72 was essentially a standard Navion with slightly reduced wingspan, a blown bubble canopy, two place side by side seating with sticks laid out to solo from the RH seat. It is still in existance but has not been airworthy in many years.

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..i recognize the pontoon in the bacckground as a curtiss seamew if i'm not mistaken......... a real turkey, & not much of a flying fish either.

No you don't, and you are. ;) It's the Grumman Duck 'replacement' the Columbia XJL-1.

Dunno about that funny NA product tho.


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Is this the 72?

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Nope thats an everyday plain old L-17!


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how about this?
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Now your talking. I know cause thats what it says on the side.


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