Fri Jul 25, 2008 11:23 pm
this is Roy's
Fri Jul 25, 2008 11:27 pm
Very nice shot.
Sat Jul 26, 2008 5:28 am
airnutz wrote:Obergrafeter wrote:It is a good thing that the Budd Conestoga pioneered the use of stainless steel in the manufacturing of airplanes
Interesting choice of words OberG! Actually, the Budd BB-1 Pioneer...erm...pioneered that
stainless honor in 1931.
Ooops...I'll correct myself here Ober. The operative word, "manufacturing" comes into play...
You're right..the RB-1 Conestoga was Budd's demonstration of a production run utilizing stainless-steel
in manufacturing aircraft.
The BB-1 was their proto-entry into aviation converting a Savoia-Marchetti design to stainless construction.
As a young teen, I visited the Franklin Institute in Philly and got to see the BB-1 Pioneer. It has been claimed..that
she has the distinction of being, "the oldest continuous outdoor display of an aircraft"..or somesuch..since 1934.
Sat Jul 26, 2008 7:00 am
You guys just don't know how to fly. We have a neighbor at 5c1 who calls the police and complains we fly so low over house that we shine the landing lights in her windows. Not such a bad deal except she makes the complaint in daylight. Now that low flying. If you were to look in her windows at night it would probably make you go blind. Ask about the "Donkey Lady" SNJ-5 so you can learn all the nuances of 5c1 and avoid the pitfalls of flying over her no fly zone house. She has friends in high secret goverment places you better not mess with.
Re: T-33 Fly Over Boulder- Way to Go Roy....I love it !
Sat Jul 26, 2008 7:17 am
richkolasa wrote:I really wish that I could get in the face (and possibly head-butt) every freaking "nimby" individual of questionable judgement that biatches about airplane noise. Stupid teenagers make more dang noise on any given night in one city than airplanes do in a month in the entire country, and no teenager takes me to California in 5 hours if I want to go!
Rich
A agree with you Rich,
I can't believe some people.
noise
Sat Jul 26, 2008 8:36 am
Boulder has a lady who complained about the noise of a GLIDER off tow flying over her house! Nevertheless, it is not smart tactics to make a lot of noise in the early morning. Aspen has a general noise ordinance, you can't start a lawnmower or jackhammer before 7 am or after 11pm and it works just fine.
It is kind of like riding through Apache country, it is best not to stir up the natives.
We can make fun of or complain about the public, but there are more of them than us. Guess who will have the most influence on city council, etc.
We are trying to make friends, a lot of them, at Boulder airport and keep a nice little place from going the way of so many others.
Rich that was quite a time at Caldwell! Long time ago.
It is kind of like riding through Apache country, it is best not to stir up the natives.
We can make fun of or complain about the public, but there are more of them than us. Guess who will have the most influence on city council, etc.
We are trying to make friends, a lot of them, at Boulder airport and keep a nice little place from going the way of so many others.
Rich that was quite a time at Caldwell! Long time ago.
Sat Jul 26, 2008 10:52 am
Obergrafeter wrote:You guys just don't know how to fly. We have a neighbor at 5c1 who calls the police and complains we fly so low over house that we shine the landing lights in her windows. Not such a bad deal except she makes the complaint in daylight. Now that low flying. If you were to look in her windows at night it would probably make you go blind. Ask about the "Donkey Lady" SNJ-5 so you can learn all the nuances of 5c1 and avoid the pitfalls of flying over her no fly zone house. She has friends in high secret goverment places you better not mess with.
OMG thanks for the giggle....how many times did she call the sheriff on me.......I must be flying "correctly" now....it's been a couple of years since having the pleasure of her video camera stuck in my face just after landing....I thought she moved....LOLOLOL
Sat Jul 26, 2008 12:40 pm
Someone send me a photo of the house. I'll make sure one of the first fly-ins that Charlie and Taylor go to together routes through 5c1. If she thinks that the O-2 or T-6 is loud, how about a pair of L-5s. 
Alternately, I can see about having the next CAP exercise down that way be based there. Then see how she likes hearing all those annoying Cessnas.
Alternately, I can see about having the next CAP exercise down that way be based there. Then see how she likes hearing all those annoying Cessnas.
noise
Sat Jul 26, 2008 2:14 pm
I am at the Boulder Airport now, Sat about 1 pm. The guy working the desk at the FBO was outside his house when the T-33 flew over. He's pretty sure he was above 1000' , but said they made several paaes and it was pretty loud. I wonder what the 2nd Photo? plane was? T-6 or P-51,etc?
Sat Jul 26, 2008 3:47 pm
Let's see, if the lady at 5c1 gets spooled up by an O2, then it ought to be a lotta fun to fly a couple of option approaches with the F-4 ! If your gonna get her going, you might as well make it worth her while !! 
Re: noise
Sat Jul 26, 2008 4:51 pm
Bill Greenwood wrote:Rich that was quite a time at Caldwell! Long time ago.
Somewhere I have the TV report of your flight on VHS, including the SNORT-like pass over the water! If/when I find it, I'll post it on my site. Have a great trip to Oshkosh.
Rich
Sat Jul 26, 2008 4:54 pm
CAPFlyer wrote:Someone send me a photo of the house. I'll make sure one of the first fly-ins that Charlie and Taylor go to together routes through 5c1. If she thinks that the O-2 or T-6 is loud, how about a pair of L-5s.
Alternately, I can see about having the next CAP exercise down that way be based there. Then see how she likes hearing all those annoying Cessnas.
Can I join in on the fun and make it 3 L-5s?
I can bring an L-5, too! Cheap thrill. I might even land there and you know that I've got a good friend over there who'd probably be more than happy to act as a bodyguard...
Ryan
Sat Jul 26, 2008 5:52 pm
Heck, see if we can get a squadron worth of L-Birds to make a few passes... would be plenty loud then.
Sat Jul 26, 2008 6:26 pm
All right the Donkey Lady is getting famous. When we had the T-6 with its "NAVY" Markings as in "Fly Navy" I landed and had put the plane in the hangar before she made her appearance complaining about the low flying (she lives on a one mile downwind). She demanded to know who was flying that "NAVY" plane. Told her to complain to Corpus Christi N.A.S. and she did. They are probably still scatching their heads over that one!
Sat Jul 26, 2008 10:52 pm
I know Roy Halliday pretty well, and if you are at Rocky Mountain Metro, you owe it to yourself to go hanger snooping...his T-bird is absolutely incredible. A couple of quick points:
1) Roy is as conscious of a pilot as I've met, after all, he does this stuff for a living, as he is the Chief Pilot for the world's largest mozzarella cheese company (they sell to Pizza Hut, Domino's, etc). He's not looking to get in trouble or cause any problems. I'm sure he's as alarmed by people being upset as anyone else.
2) Thought I would pass along how that T-bird came to be, it's really quite a story, and another reason you should take a look in their hanger:
It's just about the coolest "men's toy box" in existence. It has a C & C machine, a powder coating booth, and about every other trick gadget related to machine restoration you can think of.
Quite a few years ago, Roy found a derelict example of an old car like his boss used to own, which he acquired. Unbeknownst to his boss, Roy and the guys in the flight dept. worked on, and restored the car for him, and presented it to him on his birthday. His boss, who is really quite a guy, was pretty blown away that these guys would do this for him. A little later, Roy's boss mentioned to him that they should find a plane and restore it. Later, "plane" was changed to "jet". Roy found a completely decrepit T-33 shell sitting on a trailer, wings stacked next to it. He worked out a deal with the owner to trade it for an old house boat his boss owned. The deal was struck, and work began. A LOT of work. Ten years of work. The plane was completely rebuilt from the ground up. So many parts had to be fabricated, the FAA considers the plane a homebuilt (hence the Type listed on the data plate: Halliday T-33). When the T-bird was finally completed, Kay Eckardt, from SLC went up there and did the test hops to get the certification done. When it was completed (this is where the story gets good), his boss turned to him saying, "Congratulations...it's yours". (I'm paraphrasing, but you get the gist.) That year, Roy took the T-bird to Oshkosh and took Best Jet.
Another little tidbit of trivia: You might recognize the name, Roy Halliday, as in Roy Halliday Jr...as in the Cy Young award winning MLB pitcher. He's his son.
1) Roy is as conscious of a pilot as I've met, after all, he does this stuff for a living, as he is the Chief Pilot for the world's largest mozzarella cheese company (they sell to Pizza Hut, Domino's, etc). He's not looking to get in trouble or cause any problems. I'm sure he's as alarmed by people being upset as anyone else.
2) Thought I would pass along how that T-bird came to be, it's really quite a story, and another reason you should take a look in their hanger:
It's just about the coolest "men's toy box" in existence. It has a C & C machine, a powder coating booth, and about every other trick gadget related to machine restoration you can think of.
Quite a few years ago, Roy found a derelict example of an old car like his boss used to own, which he acquired. Unbeknownst to his boss, Roy and the guys in the flight dept. worked on, and restored the car for him, and presented it to him on his birthday. His boss, who is really quite a guy, was pretty blown away that these guys would do this for him. A little later, Roy's boss mentioned to him that they should find a plane and restore it. Later, "plane" was changed to "jet". Roy found a completely decrepit T-33 shell sitting on a trailer, wings stacked next to it. He worked out a deal with the owner to trade it for an old house boat his boss owned. The deal was struck, and work began. A LOT of work. Ten years of work. The plane was completely rebuilt from the ground up. So many parts had to be fabricated, the FAA considers the plane a homebuilt (hence the Type listed on the data plate: Halliday T-33). When the T-bird was finally completed, Kay Eckardt, from SLC went up there and did the test hops to get the certification done. When it was completed (this is where the story gets good), his boss turned to him saying, "Congratulations...it's yours". (I'm paraphrasing, but you get the gist.) That year, Roy took the T-bird to Oshkosh and took Best Jet.
Another little tidbit of trivia: You might recognize the name, Roy Halliday, as in Roy Halliday Jr...as in the Cy Young award winning MLB pitcher. He's his son.