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Great stories Matt! Keep'em coming.

That first one made me get some junk in my eye, gonna have to start wearing goggle around this thing!


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Here's one

Years ago I was working for a restoration group.
They bought a Harvard .. T6 to you Southern guys, that was complete but needed restoration.
The a/c was pushed into their shop which happened to be an old WW2 stores building that they just started renting the week before.
My buddy and I spent about 12 hrs inventorying eveything and at the end of the day there was only 1 item missing.
With that job done , we sat back to have a well earned coffee.
While sitting there , I started asking about the building , it's history etc when I noticed a small door in the ceiling.
"Whats in the attic I asked my Buddy"
He said he had no idea and hadn't had a chence to look.
Well being the young guy, I was elected to climb the 12' step ladder and crawl into the attic with a flash light.
There was no floor so I had to step from joist to joist and to my disappointment it was an empty attic.
Just as I was climbing back out though, something way in the back corner was just slightly sticking out of the old insulation.
I reached way in and pulled it out .
A chill went thru me and I almost fell thru the ceiling.
There in my hand covered in years of dust was a tailwheel fairing for a Harvard... the only item we were missing.
I yelled to my Buddy what I had found but all he said was Bull #$%T.
but when he looked up to see my hand with the fairing come out of the ceiling he said he almost had a heart attack.

Fate ... a gift from the past...co-incidence maybe........some things we will never know......

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Matt's first story points up the responsiblity of all us who work airshows
and conduct tours of warbirds to be very careful to show special and complete attention to these veterans when they pay us a visit. Most of WWII aircrew are at the age where climbing around inside these airplanes present a real challenge if not impossible for some. Great story Matt.


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brings back many "vomit" memories and stories of riding around in C-130's while waiting to hit the drop zone on parachute jumps. :vom:
Sorry to lower the tone of this thread (maybe someplace else would be better for it). This has probably been told many times before but it certainly makes me smile when I hear it. A friend of mine whom I meet every year at Oshkosh spent his career in the USAF, he was a senior mechanic but often flew on aircraft, including parachute and troop transportation flights. The story he tells is really just a prank but they seemed to get a lot of pleasure out of it (at the expense of the army guys)! It went like this: They would wait until the flight was at least a half hour gone and that way one or more of the troops was always starting to feel a little green. As this was contagious, most times a good few of them were not feeling that great by that point, particularly if it was a turbulent trip or they were feeling apprehensive about the forthcoming jump. One of the USAF crewmen would then very casually take a seat at the back of the plane behind the troops. His colleuges in the cockpit would then put on a little act for the benefit of the soldiers, starting with a loud cry of 'Gee I am not feeling too good', supplemented by some appropriate sound effects. Meanwhile, unseen, another crewman would take a nice fresh sickbag and fill it with some delicious warm vegetable soup (the kind with plenty of carrots in it) that they had thoughfully brought along in a thermos. After the sound effects (loud enough for the already queezy feeling soldiers to hear plainly) were finished one crewman would simply appear at the cockpit door and hand the open sick bag, now half full of warm and rather ghastly looking contents, to the first soldier at the front of the plane and say 'Glad thats over - please pass this back to my buddy in the back row'. Of course the recipient was only too keen to pass this back to the guy behind him and so on until the bag soon reaches the USAF guy in the back row. By now it has of course had its effect and anyone feeling like throwing up was either doing it or on the verge. The coup de grace was the best bit. On receiving the bag, the USAF crewman would loudly proclaim 'Hey great! I am so hungry I am not going to let this breakfast go to waste' and promptly raise up the bag and down the contents with relish. Anyone even thinking about chucking up at that point would be tipped over the edge!!

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Funny story! :lol:

My vomit story was similar. I was stationed at Fort Bragg, NC and we were next door at Pope Air Force Base going through pre-jump preps. One of my soldiers apparently didn't eat breakfast because he decided to go hit the nearby vending machine and proceeded to down a candy bar, one of those pre-packaged danishes, and other assorted junk food. I looked at him as if he was crazy and told him he would regret doing that once we were in the air. :roll:

Once airborne the A.F. guys would always relish watching us grunts getting pale and turning green as the pilots flew "nap-of-the-earth" for about an hour or so before hitting the drop zone. As Mark mentioned in his story...all it takes is one person to start tossing his cookies and it's like a chain reaction...about half the plane is blowing chunks! :lol: I was smart and took my dramamene tablet before boarding, but the other guy who had earlier wolfed down all the junk food, was paying the price. The A.F. guys always ingrained it into us that if you had to puke...use a barf bag, and if you use a barf bag...take it with you and DO NOT leave it in the aircraft for them to clean up. Most of the guys were using the air sickness bags but a few were forced to puke inside their shirts, and even their kevlar helmets. :x

This guy that ate all the junk food had already filled one bag and was already in the process of filling his second bag when we got the warning that we were coming up on the drop zone. This dummy is sitting there with two bags of puke and doesn't know what to do with them so he uses the attached twisty-tie to seal the bag and attach it to his ruck-sack (backpack) which is attached to his parachute harness below his reserve chute. I saw what he was doing and told him that the bags weren't going to hold and that he should just ditch them under his seat for the A.F. guys, but he didn't listen. Sure enough it happened :wink: ...we started shuffling out the door and to my amazement the bags survived hitting the slip-stream. However, when his chute opened about 2 seconds later the shock caused both barf bags to break open, covering him in a fine mist of vomit. :lol: To top it all off...when he hit the drop zone (which is covered with sand) the wet vomit caused the sand to stick to everything...his hair, face, glasses, uniform...you name it. The sight & smell of this guy totally covered in vomit with a thin coating of sand all over him was one of the funniest things I ever saw while in the service. :lol:

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That one is just as good :D - I bet there are a few variations on this theme!

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after talking with Matt on my trip to Phoenix I decided to create a category on Warbird-Online for Hanger Tales. I want to make this a regular column so if you want to contribute feel free to post your stories in this thread or send them directly to me via PM or e-mail. The first story in this series is a "reprint" from this thread and can be viewed at http://www.warbirds-online.org/?p=592
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Jack Cook knows the guy but one day in a far galaxy long time ago, I was going to run the engines on the B-25 Yellow Rose and a old gent was standing there and I asked him if he flew 25's, yes was the reply and I then asked him if he wanted to sit in the right seat while I did the do. Stand by one he said and "ran" over to his car and "ran" back. I told him to climb aboard and gave him the checklist to read for prestart. After starting them he just sat there with that look in his eyes thinking many years ago. He said that he took a cannon shell from a JU88 in the elbow and as Jack told me they had to set his elbow and asked him where he wanted it. His reply was like this so I can still control an A/C. Its really nice to see the face of a vet that served many years ago and is still here to tell us, Thank you....

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Like the story, Matt, and have one to add. Years ago, when my company was rewiring Sentimental Journey, I was sitting on a ladder in the bomb bay. Since it was early, I thought I would get in some time before museum visitors started showing up. I heard a noise in the cockpit and leaned back so I could look forward. In the cockpit was an older gentleman standing between and holding on to the seats. He looked like he was not doing too well so I jumped into the cockpit to check on him. I put a hand gently on his shoulder and he was just trembling. I asked him if he was alright. He turned to me with tears in his eyes and said, "Yes, I'm ok." He gave that weak smile we've all seen before, gave me a pat on my shoulder, and walked out toward the aft. I've never forgotten that moment and always wondered about the story behind the tears....

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At Planes of Fame in Chino one of the original buildings from Cal Aero Academy was used as the main Building of POF in the early days. In WWII it was the engine overhaul shop for the many training aircraft operated there. Over the years it has been used as a display area, storage and a shop. Today Fighter Rebuilders uses it as a shop and the museum uses it as storage as the many newer hangars now house the collection. Near what used to be the entrance used by visitors to view the displays in this building there was a Coke machine. One day someone brought a collection of photos of the Cal Aero facility. Among them was pictures of the inside of the same building when filled with the tools and machinery used to repair and overhaul the engines. In the very same spot in the WWII pics was also a Coke machine.
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As a lot of y'all know, National Capitol Squadron of CAF is privileged to fly our BT-13A. The RedHead wrote this after a particularly poignant meeting with a vet at WW2 weekend in Reading PA. I thought it might fit here, and hope y'all enjoy it.

I sat in a folding canvas chair,
catching what shade I could
beneath the wing of our Vultee.
Parents wandered over, children
in tow. I lifted the children, and
they peered with interest into
the 1942 cockpit, with its
lingering smells of wartime.

Often grandfathers lagged behind,
eyes soft with age and unshed tears.

Some would tell me they'd flown
that plane, among others. They
would run weathered hands
over the tail feathers; along the wings.
I saw memories gather behind cataracts.

I guided them into the seat of memory,
clasping their hand as they stepped onto
painted black wing-walk. Some talked.
Others sat there in silence
with the ghosts of their war.

(C) CE Laine, 2002

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Jack Cook knows the guy but one day in a far galaxy long time ago, I was going to run the engines on the B-25 Yellow Rose and a old gent was standing there and I asked him if he flew 25's, yes was the reply

Here ya go Lynn!! Rev Glenn T. Black is a true hero. Anyone who prays to God, in such a situation, not to save themselves but to save their crew is a VERY special person.

A couple of days ago Lynn Allen made this post in Gary's diamond Lil thread.

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I was going to run the Yellow Rose one Saturday when a old man walked up with that look in his eyes. He smiled and said that he flew B-25's in the Med's. I told him that I was going to run the engines to check the hyd system and could use his help with the checklist. Before I was finished asking him, he was in the right seat with the checklist waiting for me. With the engines running, you could see in his eyes, history was passing him by once again. Yes, its really great when a vet tells you thank you and you tell them, no, thank you.


I immediately knew who Lynn was referring to because he's a friend of mine. So here's the rest of the story. He fellow is Rev. Glenn T. Black and during WWII he flew B-25s in the 310th BG 12th AF from Corsica. On June 22, 1944 Lt Black led a mission to bomb shipping in Leghorn Harbor, Italy. The German were attempting to sink ships to block the harbor. Just has the bombardier calls bombs away there was a tremendous blast (it it believed that flak hit the bombs leaving the bomb bay) shook the B-25 wounding everyone in the forward part of the airplane. The left engine was knocked out, hydraulics disabled, fuel system damaged flooding the a/c with fuel, instruments damaged, prop control on the right engine shot away, and over 150 schrapnal holes. The co-pilot had a bad hip wound and Lt Black had his right elbow shot off and had numerous wounds on his torso. Vision was limited because the plexi was covered with Glenn's blood and flesh. He asked God to help him have the strenght to get that B-25 home and he'd take the calling. Not to help himself but rather to save his crew. Glenn got his crew home, they all survived and Glenn received the Silver Star. At the last stage of a long recovery he was asked in what position he wanted his arm fused? going out to the local airport he sat in a J-3 and figured out a good position for his arm so he get full play on the stick and it that position his arm was fused. He became a flying minister serving people in Texas, Oklahoma and Kansas. He also was a CFI and taught many people how to fly. He sold his C-152 and quite flying a couple of years ago. We had the honor of putting Glenn in the left seat of his B-25 a couple of years ago. Let me tell you that he gave us a real flying lesson. He flew that bomber like a master!!! He smoked Lenhardt's Airpark were he lived a couple of times and really racked the 25 around. He then made numerous runs at JCW's place a little east. I was standing behind him and was holding on for all I was worth!! What a great ride he gave us and a memory to last a life time!!! That's Lynn for sharing you story of Glenn and bring that day to the top of my memory bank. Rev. Glenn lives now with his wife of 64 years, Carmen, in Canby, OR. Sharing these aircraft is truely a gift

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On the 4th of July, the city of Phoenix puts on a huge event on the grounds of the state capitol, complete with big name entertainers, vendors selling food, and of course fireworks and every 4th of July, Carl and the Cactus Squadron did a over flight as part of the show. I normally flew with Carl, but one year as we were briefing the flight, Chuck Bivenour, who flew the # 4 position, said he did not have a backseater and who wanted to go on the flight. One of the ground crew said they would go. I got thinking about it and asked to trade with Chuck's passenger as I had not flown in the slot position that much and wanted the experience. A trade was agreed to and at the briefed time, 4 600 horse Pratt & Whitney’s roared into life. The flight consisted of Carl Schmieder in the lead, # 2 was Bob Mitchell #3 was Rick Hosking and # 4 was Chuck and myself. After take off we formed up and headed to the hold point over the fuel farm, about 5 miles from the capitol. Carl put the flight into a diamond formation and started to circle. After 2 circles Chuck asked if I wanted to fly, of course I said yes, but I need to get my sight picture first.
To fly formation you need to have 2 points of reference to line up to give you a fore and aft and a vertical reference, i.e., placing the tail wheel on the far wingtip. Once I got my sight picture, I told Chuck that I had the plane and I got a confirming stick shake. We orbited about 4 more circles before we started our run in. I kept waiting for Chuck to take the plane back, since we were inbound over the largest 4th of July gatherings in the state and we wanted to put on a good show. All of a sudden, I saw Carl’s smoke system turn on, then I could smell our system as it came on, hmmm we must be over the Capitol, after a short time, the smoke was turned off and we started a right turn, when the leveled off, I saw Carl waggle his wings, which is the signal to move to your normal position, I moved out of the slot and over to the right side of the formation, and we were inbound for our next pass. I tucked in tight on Rick’s right wing, when all of sudden, Rick’s smoke came on and he was gone, as he pulled up for the Missing Man Formation.
As we headed north to the Deer valley airport, I opened the space for Rick to rejoin the formation, and once he was in place, I tucked in tight on his wing again. Carl had gotten the airport ATIS information and read it off to us, we were be landing on 25L, and the altitude restrictions were removed, and we would be doing a fan break, left pattern, He then gave Rick the signal to open up and give room for the #2 man, Bob Mitchell to move over to the right side, Rick moved out, as did I, since, where he went, so did I. Carl called 2 miles initial, and that were going to descend and increase the power to get up some extra speed. I saw the nose of Rick’s plane lower and I pushed on the stick and advanced the throttle to stay in position, it was A LOT of throttle, out of the corner of my eye I started seeing cacti and trees going by very close by. As I was on the outside plane in the formation, I kept hoping Carl would remember that the #4 plane was lower, and closer to the ground than anyone else. I heard Carl call smoke on, and then what seemed a second later, he was calling for a fan break, and to break NOW. Carl banked left and pulled hard, Bob did the same, but pulled a little less, and on down the line. I banked and pulled and traded my excess airspeed for altitude, Chuck and I rolled out on downwind in trail with the rest of the flight, smoke was turned off as we rolled wings level, I saw Carl lower his gear, so I did the same, the whole time waiting for Chuck to take over the plane. As we turned onto base, I thought it would be a good time to wake up my front seater and have him land the plane. I called Chuck and said that I really enjoyed flying his plane, but he could have it back as I was not current on landing a T-6 from the back seat.
Chuck said he had the plane and proceeded to land. We went to the end of the runway and turned off and taxied to Chuck’s hangar. Chuck did his savage run to get the oil out of the sump and then pulled the prop back as he killed the mixture. I told Chuck that we had committed aviation and survived, it was a standing joke among us. After we had put the plane away, Chuck and I hopped in the Jeep and headed to the Ready room to Debrief and then party. When we arrived at Carl’s hangar, the party was all ready underway and those who had been on the flight were waiting for the debriefing, meaning, they were waiting for Chuck and myself. Carl always started with the last plane and went forward; He turned to Chuck and asked how the flight went from his position. The answer surprised everyone, he said it was the easiest flight he had ever done, that the only thing he had to do was to turn the smoke on, and then off. Everyone looked at Chuck with a confused look, then Chuck dropped the bombshell, He said that while we were holding over the fuel farm, he had turn the plane over to me, and that I was doing such a good job, he never took it back, and that I had flown the whole flight until we turned base. All eyes were on me, and I said all I did was follow Rick, and copied what he did, until I had to wake Chuck to land the plane.


Oh I did add the Lead was out of position, but the rest of the flight looked good from where I was.


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