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Jack Cook
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B/G Earl Barnes CO 13th Fighter Command lands at Middleburg,Island in his NMF P-61A 1944.
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How sexy would it be to see the MAAM bird in that paint (or lack there of) sceme.
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what is back there at the turret position?
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I see the main gear doors hanging down which could appear to be something else. The WIDOW used itty bitty ailerons for feel only and used 'lift interceptors' (spoilers) for roll control

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The turret position is occupied by a long-range ferry tank. The nose cap looks like it's been re-skinned with metal..I wonder if this is some sort of trainer or hack aircraft.

The P-61A had two main gear doors, which stayed open when the gear was extended. The B/C models had a setup similar to a B-25, with the main doors only opening when the gear was cycled, and a small third door staying open when the gear was extended.

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The turret position is occupied by a long-range ferry tank. The nose cap looks like it's been re-skinned with metal..I wonder if this is some sort of trainer or hack aircraft.

I was wondering if this was one of the weather-recon birds?

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Steve Nelson wrote:
The turret position is occupied by a long-range ferry tank. The nose cap looks like it's been re-skinned with metal..I wonder if this is some sort of trainer or hack aircraft.

I was wondering if this was one of the weather-recon birds?

....But "that"' P-61A in '44 would rule out that possibility..a ferry tank sounds good to me... :)
Tho..the nose skin mod you noted begs an answer... :wink:

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Did you guys miss my first sentence????
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B/G Earl Barnes CO 13th Fighter Command lands at Middleburg,Island in his NMF P-61A

It's the General's personal P-61 :idea: :wink:

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here with top turret removed and a DF-loop installed...

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What a way to show up for theater conferences!!!! 'You guys are just here, I've ARRIVED!'

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Jack, do you have any photos taken from inside the rear compartment of a widow, especially from the inside looking out of all that glass?

Thanks!
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Jack Cook wrote:
Did you guys miss my first sentence????
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B/G Earl Barnes CO 13th Fighter Command lands at Middleburg,Island in his NMF P-61A

It's the General's personal P-61 :idea: :wink:

Ooops! I missed it in all the abbreviations. Thanks!

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Jack,

Brilliant pictures (man, I love those P-61's!). It is a bit of a spooky coincidence for me, as I only found this website whilst looking for additional information on this very aircraft for a model that I just about to make of it. Thank you Jack (and others) for posting the pictures - they shall be invaluable as a source of reference to me.

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Derek;

Welcome aboard! Strap in and keep one hand on your O2 regulator if you are modeller-you'll lose your mind over things and photos that get posted onsite-

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The insignia is a little dark but it looks like the 550th NFS :idea: :?:
Derek you might like these other threads I started.
http://warbirdinformationexchange.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=21073&highlight=p61+black+widow
http://warbirdinformationexchange.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=21191&highlight=p61+black+widow
http://warbirdinformationexchange.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=20225&highlight=p61+black+widow
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