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Hmm, I can think of at least 2 Reno champions (each with their own unique histories) that have been converted to TFs. The costs of operating these aircraft is such that it makes sense to turn them into working aircraft that can generate a revenue. Far better that than to leave them grounded and unrestored.


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Hey, thanks for the info Mike.

And I whish I knew myself before going !!! Hehehe... We decided to go to Sonoma on a whim and just happened upon the airport by chance.

Too bad indeed. I spoke to about 4 people there and all were very nice. Would have been great to meet a fellow WIXer.

Oh well... next time perhaps ! I come in the Bay Area many times a year. Let's call that a rain check then !

Another thing: There was a whitish Lockheed on the ramp. Thought at first it was a Lodestar but thinking back, with its missing bomb doors and the patches on the nose where the machine guns were, it was probably a PV-2 Harpoon, no ? Can you concur ? By the looks of it, seems it has not flown for some time too. Anyone planning to restore that one too ?

Sorry to tease you guys, I'll post the pics once I'm back home...

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If it's an authentic combat vet, why convert it to something it was not? Do you know the rationale for this conversion? Is he going to be offering rides or dual in it? Just curious.

I dunno. Perhaps you should ask all the owners of P-51s who add a second seat / dual controls / do a full TF-51 conversion the same question too?


Well, Mike, there is a big distinction here. The vast majority of surviving Mustangs are not combat vets. If a certain aircraft is a "parts" restoration or "dataplate" restoration, then the idea of converting it is much more palatable. For an authentic combat vet, I would think that most owners would want to try to preserve as much authenticity and originality as possible to keep her provenance untainted. I'm not complaining, it just seems odd, that's all. That would be like taking the "Memphis Belle" and converting her to a firebomber. Does that not strike a cord!

* Runs and ducks for cover for the ensuing firefight!*

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Memphis Belle is a complete and intact aircraft. So there is continuity between the past and the present. This P-40 sounds like it is a recreation and pretty much a new build aircraft. The continuity is in its history but to a minor degree in the metal and nuts and bolts that make up the machine. Therefore he is making it a TP-40 and that is great to get people the experience to fly it.
Biggest thing is you can go out and get your own aircraft and do it up they way you want to. Then you can tell Eric what the engine and accessory part numbers and serial numbers are and confirm they are the ones it left the factory with. :)
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[Memphis Belle is a complete and intact aircraft. So there is continuity between the past and the present. This P-40 sounds like it is a recreation and pretty much a new build aircraft.


I was not aware that it was pretty much a new build aircraft. That's why in my original statement I said that a "parts" or "dataplate" restoration is a LOT more palatable. Since this is the case, then I understand why he is doing this. I thought it might be more or less a completely original aircraft, but I guess I was wrong.


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I'm not sure what the issue is here. Chris is resurrecting a P-40 to the highest engineering standards. The workmanship that I've seen is really first class. He is doing the restoration to factory TP-40N standards, so that flights in the P-40 will be able to be offered. Not just back-seat rides, but the opportunity to fly a fully dual-control P-40. Nowhere else on the planet offers this opportunity as far as I know.

What Chris is doing is a GOOD thing. Why some of the armchair experts on here feel the need to find fault with what he's doing, I just don't understand. Personally, I'm just really looking forward to seeing another P-40 back in the air, and, trust me, this one will be one of the best around.


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Christ has taken great pains to see that the aircraft is much Curtis as possible.


I really doubt that. Jesus is a round motor fan.


Now that there's funny. I don't care who ya' are. :lol:

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Well, Mike, there is a big distinction here. The vast majority of surviving Mustangs are not combat vets. If a certain aircraft is a "parts" restoration or "dataplate" restoration, then the idea of converting it is much more palatable. For an authentic combat vet, I would think that most owners would want to try to preserve as much authenticity and originality as possible to keep her provenance untainted. I'm not complaining, it just seems odd, that's all. That would be like taking the "Memphis Belle" and converting her to a firebomber. Does that not strike a cord!

* Runs and ducks for cover for the ensuing firefight!*

When Chris bought this 40 the restoration was already started and was fitted out for dual controls.Chris did not want to remove any of the original sheet metal that had been alrady converted.This A/C is done to TP-40 N specs and is a darn fine job So quit running the plane down or you will never be allowed anywhere near the darn plane much less fly it.BTW What is in you hanger?POP RIVETS?:D[/quote]

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