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I LOVE photos of the contrails. Anyone have any to share? Here's one I found...

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From my uncle's personal photos...

465th BG - 783rd BS (15th AF)

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Absolutely great photos! Thanks for sharing them. I have always liked the one where the fighters are weaving back 'n forth over the bombers.

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Pat Carry wrote:
Absolutely great photos! Thanks for sharing them. I have always liked the one where the fighters are weaving back 'n forth over the bombers.


My Dad always hated those. It meant somebody was about to try and kill him!
His tour was almost over before there was much chance of those higher contrails being "little friends"...
I remember asking him what head on attacks were like when he was in bed recovering from a heart attack in the hospital. (If I had it all to do over again I might have chosen a better time to play historian.)
Believe it or not it kind of cheered him up that I wanted to interview him.
You should have seen how his face screw up 40 years after the fact describing the high closing speeds and only being able to move a few feet to try and evade.

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Really magnificent photos everyone; Thanks a lot! More please!
What I wouldn't give to have been on the ground all those years ago and see, hear, and feel the majestic Mighty Eighth (or name your AF) fly above with over 1000 bombers in the stream. 8) 8)

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my thoughts exactly. What it must have been like to stand on the ground as the sky above you filled with those white contrails, and knowing where they were headed. I reminds me of knights charging against the foe, knwing that only a few would win through.
One of the l;arger raids must have been an overwhelming sight. A thousand panes, filling the sky with vapor. And in each plane, ten men, each's life dependant on the others, and especially the pilots, to get them there and home, in a warplane whose hull was thin enough to shove a pencil through.

they were truly heros.

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I have worked with two men who were young children (both under 10 years old) in Germany during the last years of the war. They both spoke about standing in awe watching more planes (bombers & fighters) than they could count pass overhead in an almost unending stream on more than one occasion.
They both said that, even as children, on seeing and experiencing that sight they knew the war was lost.
They both ended up working in the USA and becoming US citizens.
One also told me how his uncle taught him to ride a bike in a bombed out Messerschmitt factory after the war in Europe ended (his uncle was the watchman). In the midst of destruction, life went on.


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Coldly magnificent, and erie.

Ever thought how much history is 'forgotten' because there aren't pictures?

As far as I know, there are no photos of the Photo Reconnaissance Unit aircraft 'contrailing' on their pre-and post raid reconnaissances.

I understand they could pull a contrail without realising, and their Camotint camouflage wouldn't be much use then. They had no guns, a 'plane full of fuel or vapour and they would be drawing a big 'here I am' arrow at themselves. Yes they were high and fast, but not always, nor always high enough and fast enough.

It's notable the NMUSAF has two British built US used PR aircraft on show, but as they were semi-secret during the war, in all Allied services, they've never got the credit they deserve.

The PR boys were the original 'Alone unarmed and unafraid'. But in reality they were alone, unarmed, and fools if they weren't aware of the risk they ran. They all had friends that just didn't come back; and that usually meant someone else had to go until someone did get back. They were also cold, de-pressurised and at the risk of sudden death from all sorts of unexpected sources, but that doesn't make a good unit patch.

"Oh, they flew a Spitfire without guns? Hmmm." I've heard. Quiet heroism takes many forms.

Over St Paul's Cathedral, London, in 1940, they were new, and the marks of a new battlefield:

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And St Paul's was image of the centre of 'home' to those fighting for the future of civilisation.

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On 29 December 1940, Daily Mail photographer Herbert Mason braved an air raid to spend the night on the roof of Northcliffe House in Fleet Street. He captured what became the defining image of the Blitz - St. Paul's emerging defiantly from the smoke of surrounding burning buildings. The image appeared in the Daily Mail two days later, with evident retouching, under the headline 'St. Paul's Stands Unharmed in the Midst of the Burning City'. Ironically, only four weeks later, the photograph was reproduced by the Berliner Illustre Zeitung who used it not to show the resilience of the blitzed city, but to show that London was burning to the ground.


Official War Artist Paul Nash put contrails in his painting as we might show something that's shatteringly new today.

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Paul Nash, Battle of Britain, 1941, Imperial War Museum IWM16756 © Imperial War Museum.


Without aircraft to stop the Germans that high...

Without the Battle in 1940...

Without Britain's intransigence, in the face of the Blitz...

Without the USAAF by day and the RAF by night...

Without the knowledge from photo-reconnaissance...

We would have lost.

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found a new one. 8)

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What those pictures say to me is danged cold.Not to mention the fact that a bunch of people will be trying to kill you shortly.What a tough as nails bunch of men.Heroes to a man.

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Here's a similar shot to one above from Web birds of the 100th BG, but if you look closely, it is a different photo, probably shot in succession.

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And another...

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