Need Warbirds id

bilwor · **Posted:** Sat Feb 16, 2008 6:27 pm

The first one is a Boeing/Stearman Kaydet taken at 3rd Wings over Houston September 26, 1987.

The second one was a Douglas AD Skyraider taken at CAF AirSho Harlingen, October 8, 1988.

bill word

Canso42 · **Posted:** Sat Feb 16, 2008 8:02 pm

Bill,
The Stearman is too common to id without markings. Lone Star's new PT-17 looks like it.
The Spad would be #132443 an AD-5. It was displayed at CAF Harlingen for a while before going to the now defunct Texas Air Museum at Rio Hondo. While there it was displayed next to the salvaged island from the CV U.S.S. Iwo Jima marked with a big 408 on the cowl and sqn tail letters AE. It also bore the tail number 37543. *
Its current whereabouts are unknown but its thought to belong to the USMC museum system.*
The Rio Hondo outfit's PBY is now in storage at Tyler Hist. Air Military Museum in Tyler, Tex. (not sure of their exact name tho.)
Feedback anyone?

Doug Ratchford, 'Canso42'

* Warbird Digest, Issue 14, p. 40. All photos on that were by John Kerr.

Ztex · **Posted:** Sun Feb 17, 2008 12:22 am

I have looked through the Stearman pics that I have scanned so far and The Lone Star looks like it matches. A few have the same basic paint with the tail stripes in the same places but it's the only one I have with the light in the white stripe..
http://www.airport-data.com/aircraft/photo/152609L.html

You can look at most of them here...
http://www.airport-data.com/photographers/Zane+Adams;1461/PT-17-Stearman;9807;1.html

bdk · **Joined:** Sun May 02, 2004 1:16 am **Posts:** 11332

Note that the first Stearman has a 220 Continental (W670) and a ground adjustable McCauley prop.

N104L has a Hamilton Standard counterweight prop installed and a P&W R-985.

airnutz · **Posted:** Sun Feb 17, 2008 1:16 am

Last year about this time, there was a similar query of this bird on another
thread titled "Big-Face". Eric Downing passed on info that led him to believe
this AD-5 may have been heading to HAMM at Tyler, Texas. Might pop them a e-mail?
www.tylerhamm.org

Good luck!

airnutz · **Posted:** Sun Feb 17, 2008 8:09 am

airnutz wrote:

Last year about this time, there was a similar query of this bird on another
thread titled Big-face. Eric Downing passed on info that led him to believe
this AD-5 may have been heading to HAMM at Tyler, Texas. Might pop them a e-mail?
www.tylerhamm.org

Good luck!

AHH!! Here she is Bill, Eric was right. A photo snapped by Tristan van der Vlugt at Tyler a couple of
months after the thread..
www.airliners.net/photo/USA---Navy/Doug ... 1218985/L/

Notice the paint flaking off of the inboard pylon revealing the blue paint. Thanks Tristan!

bilwor · **Posted:** Sun Feb 17, 2008 10:16 am

Thanks for the replies everybody.
bill word

bilwor · **Posted:** Sun Feb 17, 2008 11:16 am

Zane,
The Stearman at LSFM was previously owned by a man from Edna, TX in 1987. That would put it in the area for WOH 1987. Thanks for the id. The plane has been added to the collection since I was last at Lone Star (Dec 2006).
bill word

bilwor · **Posted:** Sun Feb 17, 2008 4:20 pm

Zane,
if the c/n is 75-811 for the Stearman it is N2S-5 (E-75)(Bu No 38490). You may want to look into this and change the id at your photo site.
bill word

Ztex · **Posted:** Sun Feb 17, 2008 7:47 pm

Bill,

I don't have any control over the data on that site. I think it is linked to the FAA information.

I'll pass along your info though.

Thanks.

Zane

Tulio · **Joined:** Mon May 03, 2004 1:05 am **Posts:** 3236

It is very likely that the Stearman is the one owned and flown by Mike McGlothlin.

It is based at Sport Flyers in Brookshire, and at that time, Mike was a member of the West Houston Squadron.

I have to go and dig the pictures from the 1987 show, but from the photo shown above, I can pretty much say that the pilot looks like Mike.

If the Stearman is indeed, the airplane in the picture:

N-59742, c/n 75-2905, Boeing A75N1.

Registered to David Manire, who co-owned it with Mike.

Additionally, since 1987 this airplane was restored and although in the same markings, the "N" number is now carried vertically ahead of the rudder, and the lettering below the cockpit's coaming is now a single line; also, the propeller was replaced by a wood fixed prop.

Saludos,

Tulio

bilwor · **Posted:** Mon Feb 18, 2008 9:57 am

Tulio,
If and when you find your photos of WOH 1987 and verify the id of the Stearman please post it to let me know.
Thanks,
bill word

Tulio · **Joined:** Mon May 03, 2004 1:05 am **Posts:** 3236

Bill, I have gone through my WOH photos (but NOT through the negatives) and I could not find any shots of Mike's Stearman.

I found though, this photo taken in April 1990 at the West Houston Squadron's that shows Mike's airplane still with the metal prop. As I mentioned earlier in this thread, it now has a wooden prop.

Saludos

Tulio

Tulio · **Joined:** Mon May 03, 2004 1:05 am **Posts:** 3236

These two, from WOH 87:

Saludos

Tulio

Ztex · **Posted:** Mon Feb 18, 2008 4:02 pm

Dang what a ramp!

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