Missouri Locator

[mrhenniger]

I have taken the Missouri section of the Locator as far as I can, so I turn it over to you...

http://www.aerialvisuals.ca/Locator.php ... TheResults

You will find the “Need Help List” below. It is simply a list of locations I need assistance with to make the data more complete and is a subset of the complete listing available via the link above. The “Need Help List” is based on Locator locations with the big red + signs. If you notice you have any info to contribute when viewing the complete list just click the red or blue + and you will be taken to a form where many of the fields will already be filled out but you can also provide corrections and/or new information. You can also post here if you would like.

I am looking forward to any assistance you may be able to provide.

Thanks in advance.

Mike

P.S. Getting the MO section out took a little while because I noticed some problems with the maps. If anyone notices something that isn’t working just right, please feel free to let me know.

P.P.S. Reminder: Right click any of the maps to obtain coordinates of the location clicked. If you know the location of an aircraft the Locator does not you can use this method to easily obtain coordinates to contribute to the Locator.



EDIT: The "Need Help List" has been moved to a more recent post.

Last edited by mrhenniger on Sun Jan 27, 2008 12:57 pm, edited 1 time in total.

[Jeff Funk]

Mike,


A few comments on the Missouri Locator



First, Parks College is not located at the main St. Louis University campus. It is located across the Mississippi in Illinois at the St. Louis Downtown Parks Airport located at approximate coordinates (38.573048, -90.155933). I do not have exact coordinates for the building(s) that belong to Parks.

Second, you're pretty close to the correct location for the Historic Aircraft Restoration Museum. I believe the coordinates (38.725831, -90.506058) is slightly more accurate but I only visited once. Of course Al Stix or Eric Downing are the ultimate experts on this location. I believe Eric flies out of this field as does on the "Petie" mustangs.

Third, the monocoupe at Lambert Field in St. Louis used to be located where Concourse C meets the east end of the Main terminal. I suggest coordinates (38.742151, -90.155933) as slightly more accurate.

Fourth, while driving by the Scott City / Cape Girardeau Regional Airport last summer (at 70 mph), I remember seeing an A-4 on the entrance road where it parallels I-55. I don't remember the exact location, but definitely at least one A-4. There might have been another on the ramp.

Finally a minor point of precision. You listed a number of locations (Overland, Maryland Heights, Castle Point, O'Fallon, St. Ann, Edmundson and Florissant) under "St. Louis". They are actually small cities that are politically independent of the City of St. Louis. Of course, to folks outside the St. Louis area, they're all part of St. Louis. On the other hand, St. Charles is actually closer to St. Louis than O'Fallon.

I may have more comments later.

Great start!

Jeff

[Chris Brame]

#2947 - Saint Louis - Apparently there is a F-86 displayed outside the business Bissell Auto and Body in Saint Louis. Can you Confirm? If so where exactly is it?

38 37 25.61 N, 90 13 38.92 W

Address is 3000 Chouteau, Saint Louis, MO 63103 near the SE corner of Chouteau and S. Cardinal. I found it by checking the online Yellow Pages and going to the bird's eye map setting; even then it took some looking to spot it because it's apparently just a fuselage. Looks like NMF with a yellow band around the middle.

[Mark Nankivil]

Hi Mike -

Hopefully this will help....

At Lambert Field at the entrance to the MOANG 131stFW/110thFS HQ, there is an F-100 and an F-15 which are both accessible to the public as they are outside the base gate. Here's a photo of the F-100, I guess I don't have a full airframe shot of the F-15...


Just south of that location along the fence line of I-70, there is an F-4D hulk:
38 44' 28.71"N 90 22' 27.82"W


The F-4E is mounted within the MOANG base and is not accessible but can be seen from I-70 and the road within the airport:


Down at Jefferson Barracks, there is an F-4E displayed. Direct access is not possible but you can easily see it from the road thru the park:
38 30' 20.37"N 80 16' 47.42"W


The F-86D at Bissell's Truck Body is on a dolly and is the fuselage only minus the radome and canopy:
38 37' 25.59"N 90 13' 38.96"W
There's some MiG-21 and F-4 bits and pieces on the south side of the main building.


There is a Cessna 310 on display at St. Louis University for the Parks Air College branch of the school:
38 38' 10.91"N 90 13' 49.85"W


The City Museum has a Sabreliner hulk outside on the west side of the building, hanging off of the roof:
38 38' 00.75"N 90 12' 02.78"W

The Historic Aviation Restoration Museum (HARM) at Creve Coeur Airport is at:
38 43' 27.50"N 90 30' 22.93"W
There's three hangars there with the aircraft situated in each.

There's also an F-101F on display up in Florissant, MO at the Civic Center - I need to go find it and get photos:
38 47' 30.83"N 90 17' 55.08"W

Down in Sikeston, the F-4J used to be in other markings - drawing a blank at the moment which squadron this is...




The F-4E down in Monett, MO is at:
36 54' 39.42"N 93 55' 40.94"W

HTH! Mark

[bdk]

Historic Aircraft Restoration Museum is down that road that curves to the right, It is the three large hangars on the right side, the largest hangars on the field. There is also a ball turret parts museum in one of the hangars on the field.

Although they don't have any real airplanes, the James S. McDonnell "Prologue Room" might be worthy of mention:

http://www.boeing.com/companyoffices/ab ... index.html

[mrhenniger]

First, Parks College is not located at the main St. Louis University campus. It is located across the Mississippi in Illinois at the St. Louis Downtown Parks Airport located at approximate coordinates (38.573048, -90.155933). I do not have exact coordinates for the building(s) that belong to Parks.

Aaahhhh right. I already had that one located, but since I was focused on another state I overlooked it.

There is a Cessna 310 on display at St. Louis University for the Parks Air College branch of the school:
38 38' 10.91"N 90 13' 49.85"W

I didn’t know about that one. Thanks for the heads up!

Second, you're pretty close to the correct location for the Historic Aircraft Restoration Museum. I believe the coordinates (38.725831, -90.506058) is slightly more accurate but I only visited once. Of course Al Stix or Eric Downing are the ultimate experts on this location. I believe Eric flies out of this field as does on the "Petie" mustangs.

The Historic Aviation Restoration Museum (HARM) at Creve Coeur Airport is at:
38 43' 27.50"N 90 30' 22.93"W
There's three hangars there with the aircraft situated in each.

Historic Aircraft Restoration Museum is down that road that curves to the right, It is the three large hangars on the right side, the largest hangars on the field.

I have changed the coordinates, and improved the error level to “in sight”.

Third, the monocoupe at Lambert Field in St. Louis used to be located where Concourse C meets the east end of the Main terminal. I suggest coordinates (38.742151, -90.155933) as slightly more accurate.

Hmmmm… those coordinates are quite ways off the mark. Did you get them by doing the right click thing on one of my maps? Would you mind trying again and seeing if you get different or the same results? If there is a bug in the maps I would like to get it fixed.

Fourth, while driving by the Scott City / Cape Girardeau Regional Airport last summer (at 70 mph), I remember seeing an A-4 on the entrance road where it parallels I-55. I don't remember the exact location, but definitely at least one A-4. There might have been another on the ramp.

I can’t see it in the area you describe using Google Earth. It is likely a recent placement and the reference to an A-4 on the ramp is likely the same airframe waiting to be displayed at the location you describe. I have changed the coordinates, but I will leave it at the “area” error level until the exact location is confirmed. Thanks for this!

Finally a minor point of precision. You listed a number of locations (Overland, Maryland Heights, Castle Point, O'Fallon, St. Ann, Edmundson and Florissant) under "St. Louis". They are actually small cities that are politically independent of the City of St. Louis. Of course, to folks outside the St. Louis area, they're all part of St. Louis. On the other hand, St. Charles is actually closer to St. Louis than O'Fallon.

Thanks for the note Jeff. The city listings do not necessarily represent political boundaries, as it is intended to make trip planning easier for the visiting traveler. It allows locations where are nearby each other to be grouped together in the listing, and allows near-by markers on a map to be clustered together with one marker. I have considered changing the system, but I think the benefits to the visitors outweigh the potential confusion to the locals. Thanks for the comments though. Feel free to keep them coming. I would like the Locator to be a tool everyone finds easy to use.

#2947 - Saint Louis - Apparently there is a F-86 displayed outside the business Bissell Auto and Body in Saint Louis. Can you Confirm? If so where exactly is it?

38 37 25.61 N, 90 13 38.92 W
Address is 3000 Chouteau, Saint Louis, MO 63103 near the SE corner of Chouteau and S. Cardinal. I found it by checking the online Yellow Pages and going to the bird's eye map setting; even then it took some looking to spot it because it's apparently just a fuselage. Looks like NMF with a yellow band around the middle.

The F-86D at Bissell's Truck Body is on a dolly and is the fuselage only minus the radome and canopy:
38 37' 25.59"N 90 13' 38.96"W
There's some MiG-21 and F-4 bits and pieces on the south side of the main building.

Top notch! I am sure I was looking right at the hulk in the sat images before, but without the photos you would not recognize it has a Sabre. I have also added a note about the MiG-21 and F-4 bits.

Hopefully this will help....

I always chuckle at bit when people write that. When people provide coordinates it helps in a big way. Thanks.

At Lambert Field at the entrance to the MOANG 131stFW/110thFS HQ, there is an F-100 and an F-15 which are both accessible to the public as they are outside the base gate. Here's a photo of the F-100, I guess I don't have a full airframe shot of the F-15...

Thanks for the photos. Scott may be able to use them in the registry.

Just south of that location along the fence line of I-70, there is an F-4D hulk:
38 44' 28.71"N 90 22' 27.82"W

When did you last spot it? Andry Marden’s book (see the book secion of my credits page) indicates the hulk was beside an old building but had disappeared. Perhaps it was just moved to the location you provided.

The F-4E is mounted within the MOANG base and is not accessible but can be seen from I-70 and the road within the airport:

Noted.

Down at Jefferson Barracks, there is an F-4E displayed. Direct access is not possible but you can easily see it from the road thru the park:
38 30' 20.37"N 80 16' 47.42"W

Noted.

The City Museum has a Sabreliner hulk outside on the west side of the building, hanging off of the roof:
38 38' 00.75"N 90 12' 02.78"W

I knew there was something there, I just could not quite say for sure it was a T-39.

There's also an F-101F on display up in Florissant, MO at the Civic Center - I need to go find it and get photos:
38 47' 30.83"N 90 17' 55.08"W

I already have it in the database. Thanks anyway!

Down in Sikeston, the F-4J used to be in other markings - drawing a blank at the moment which squadron this is...

Yep… that F-4 is here: 36 53 06.64 N 89 33 56.54 W

The F-4E down in Monett, MO is at:
36 54' 39.42"N 93 55' 40.94"W

Yep that one is in the database.

Although they don't have any real airplanes, the James S. McDonnell "Prologue Room" might be worthy of mention:

Yep, it is already listed in the “off topic” section which included aviation themed museums without aircraft. I would provide a link right now, but it appears there is a bug in the Locator which is preventing it from being included in the list.



Thanks to all for the most excellent data. I’ll do an upload tonight and repost the “Need Help” list then.

Mike

[Jeff Funk]

Mike,

I gave an incorrect coordinate for the Monocoupe at Lambert Field. It should have been 38.742151 -90.365059. These are slightly to the right of your original coordinates. Accuracy should be "within sight".

As far a Park's College, it has been almost 30 years since I lived in St. Louis (although I visit friends and family every year). It is possible that some of their operations have been moved to the main campus, so I sould defer my information to Mark.

Jeff

[Jeff Funk]

Mike,

As far as the Scott City / Cape Girardeau scooter goes, I think it was located on the road that runs between 37.239759, -89.571276 and 37.227868, -89.561234. My best memory is 37.229987, -89.564238. However, this was a quick sighting from last summer and as it was easy to spot from I-55, I didn't pinpont the exact loaction. My information should get folks close enough to spot it until you get better info.

Jeff

[Tulio]

There used to be a couple of A-4s at the Perryville Municipal Airport, MO, IIRC being operated by some sort of testing facility connected to Boeing or McDD?

Saludos,


Tulio

[Mark Nankivil]

Hi Mike -

I went by Lambert yesterday and the F-4D hulk is gone. I checked with a friend at the 131st and it went to a target range in Indiana about 8 to 9 months ago I would have much preferred the original cockpit display project.

'Til Later! Mark

[mrhenniger]

Although they don't have any real airplanes, the James S. McDonnell "Prologue Room" might be worthy of mention:

Yep, it is already listed in the “off topic” section which included aviation themed museums without aircraft. I would provide a link right now, but it appears there is a bug in the Locator which is preventing it from being included in the list.

I fixed the bug. You can now find the James S. McDonnell listing via…
http://www.aerialvisuals.ca/Locator.php ... ,Scope=Out

I gave an incorrect coordinate for the Monocoupe at Lambert Field. It should have been 38.742151 -90.365059. These are slightly to the right of your original coordinates. Accuracy should be "within sight".

Thanks!

As far as the Scott City / Cape Girardeau scooter goes, I think it was located on the road that runs between 37.239759, -89.571276 and 37.227868, -89.561234. My best memory is 37.229987, -89.564238. However, this was a quick sighting from last summer and as it was easy to spot from I-55, I didn't pinpont the exact loaction. My information should get folks close enough to spot it until you get better info.

Thanks again!

There used to be a couple of A-4s at the Perryville Municipal Airport, MO, IIRC being operated by some sort of testing facility connected to Boeing or McDD?

Noted.

I went by Lambert yesterday and the F-4D hulk is gone. I checked with a friend at the 131st and it went to a target range in Indiana about 8 to 9 months ago I would have much preferred the original cockpit display project.

Excellent. Thanks Mark! F-15A 76-94 was once displayed here where the current F-15 is displayed. Could you ask your friend if he knows where it went. Was it put on display elsewhere in Saint Louis?


Thanks again for everyone’s help. I have my fingers crossed that we may yet see some more of these questions answered.

Mike



Here is the latest revision of the “Need Help List”…

#2902 - Bloomfield - Is the UH-1 at the Stars and Stripes Museum displayed inside or outside? Where exactly is the UH-1?
http://www.aerialvisuals.ca/LocationDos ... 902#TheMap

#4381 - Branson, College of the Ozarks Airport / Point Lookout Airport - Are any of the airframes in public view? If so where exactly are they?
http://www.aerialvisuals.ca/LocationDos ... 381#TheMap

#2909 - Columbia - There may be a F-84 and a T-33 displayed in Columbia. Can you confirm? If so where exactly are they?
http://www.aerialvisuals.ca/LocationDos ... 909#TheMap

#2910 - Ellington - There may be an AH-1 displayed at a VFW in Ellington. Can you confirm? If so where exactly is it?
http://www.aerialvisuals.ca/LocationDos ... 910#TheMap

#2917 - Kansas City - There may be a F-86 displayed in Kansas City. Can you confirm? If so where exactly is it?
http://www.aerialvisuals.ca/LocationDos ... 917#TheMap

#2922 - Kansas City, Lees Summit, Lees Summit Municipal Airport - There may be a UH-1 displayed at a VVA at the airport. Can you confirm? If so where exactly is it?
http://www.aerialvisuals.ca/LocationDos ... 922#TheMap

#2921 - Knob Noster, Whiteman AFB - Apparently there is a UH-1 and an AH-1 displayed on the base. Can you confirm? If so where exactly are they located?
http://www.aerialvisuals.ca/LocationDos ... 921#TheMap

#2924 - Marshall - A better map reference is needed. Where exactly is the Nicholas Beazley Aviation Museum museum located?
http://www.aerialvisuals.ca/LocationDos ... 924#TheMap

#4379 - Monett, Yonkerville, Monett Municipal - A better map reference is needed. Where exactly is the Golden Aviation Museum located?
http://www.aerialvisuals.ca/LocationDos ... 379#TheMap

#2927 - Mountain View - Apparently there is a T-33 displayed in a Veterans Park in Mountain View. Can you confirm? If so where exactly is it?
http://www.aerialvisuals.ca/LocationDos ... 927#TheMap

#2928 - Neosho - There may be a UH-1 displayed in a Morse Park in Neosho. Can you confirm? If so where exactly is it?
http://www.aerialvisuals.ca/LocationDos ... 928#TheMap

#4374 - Paynesville - This farm may have a number of airframes including T-2s displayed/stored. Can you confirm? If so where exactly are they?
http://www.aerialvisuals.ca/LocationDos ... 374#TheMap

#4373 - Perryville, Perryville Municipal Airport - There may be a T-2 displayed at the the Sabreliner facility at the airport. Can you confirm? If so where exactly is it?
http://www.aerialvisuals.ca/LocationDos ... 373#TheMap

#2929 - Poplar Bluff - There may be a F-86 displayed in Poplar Bluff. Can you confirm? If so where exactly is it?
http://www.aerialvisuals.ca/LocationDos ... 929#TheMap

#2930 - Purdy - There is an A-4 displayed in a park next to the High School in Purdy. A better map reference is needed. Where exactly is it?
http://www.aerialvisuals.ca/LocationDos ... 930#TheMap

#4372 - Saint Charles, Saint Charles County Airport / Smartt Field - Boeing has a facility at this field. Which hangar do they occupy. Are any of the test airframes in public view?
http://www.aerialvisuals.ca/LocationDos ... 372#TheMap

#2936 - Saint Louis - Is this airframe which was once displayed at the airport, still displayed in Saint Louis? If so where exactly is it?
http://www.aerialvisuals.ca/LocationDos ... 936#TheMap

#4371 - Saint Louis, Castle Point - Apparently there is a UH-1 displayed at a Veterans Home in Saint Louis. Can you confirm? If so where exactly is it?
http://www.aerialvisuals.ca/LocationDos ... 371#TheMap

#4369 - Saint Louis, O'Fallon - There may be a T-39 in ground instructional use at the Vatterott College. Can you confirm? If so is it in public view? If so where exactly is it?
http://www.aerialvisuals.ca/LocationDos ... 369#TheMap

#2941 - Saint Louis, Overland - Apparently there is a UH-1 displayed at the National Personnel Records Center. Can you confirm? If so where exactly is it?
http://www.aerialvisuals.ca/LocationDos ... 941#TheMap

#2949 - Saint Louis, Saint Ann, Edmundson, St. Louis International Airport / Lambert Field, Missouri ANG - 131st FW - Is the F-4 fuselage at Site C still there?
http://www.aerialvisuals.ca/LocationDos ... 949#TheMap

#4376 - Saint Robert, Fort Leonard Wood, Forney AAF - Are any of these sites accessible to the public? In addition to the known types listed, the following may also be displayed in the area; 4x F-4, 2x UH-1 and 2x AH-1. Can you confirm? If so where exactly are they?
http://www.aerialvisuals.ca/LocationDos ... 376#TheMap

#2960 - Springfield - A better map reference is needed. Where exactly is the Air and Military Museum of the Ozarks located?
http://www.aerialvisuals.ca/LocationDos ... 960#TheMap

#2962 - Warrensburg - There may be an AH-1 displayed in Warrensburg. Can you confirm? If so where exactly is it?
http://www.aerialvisuals.ca/LocationDos ... 962#TheMap

#2961 - Warsaw - There may be a AH-1 displayed in or near Warsaw. Can you confirm? If so where exactly is it?
http://www.aerialvisuals.ca/LocationDos ... 961#TheMap