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PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 2:27 pm 
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Crew29 wrote:
I was towing at a national glider competition here in PA in 2006. 66 gliders were entered in the contest and we were running 7 towplanes.


We did a World Championship here in the 90s, 14 days of competition with at least 6 weeks previous of practice flying by the teams.

114 registered sailplanes (23 different countries), probably 5 or 6 sniffers and I think we had 15 towplanes.

Using our main runway and full length taxiway to launch the sailplanes and the grass inbetween to recover the towplanes.

Averaged about an hour to launch them all, but it was a fur ball at times. Especially on very strong soaring days and the gaggles that would come home at the same time were amazing.


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 Post subject: Sailplane Gaggles
PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 3:08 pm 
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One unique rule - first one in the thermal establishes whether it's left or right turns. (Some contest directors stipulate only left turns within x miles of the start gate.) At the start gate and initially out on course there might be as many as 20 gliders in a couple of hundred feet of altitude in 45-degree or steeper bank circles. While you'd think that that vertical conflict is minimal, since we're all in the same rising air, a thermal has a core and sailplanes going through it can get a pretty significant bump upwards relative to nearby aircraft. However, the start gaggles tend to circle as a group and climb at the rate of the pilot with the worst climb rate. if you don't like it, there's usually another gaggle to join if it looks like it's doing better.

Particularly when out on course (it's not important when climbing for a start or hanging out waiting for the right time to start), pilots working to center the core may move their circle over far enough to begin to intersect the original circle head-on. That gets interesting. We're required to wear parachutes but given the circumstances, it's amazing that mid-airs are very infrequent. One reason is that after the first thermal on course, it's a big sky. You might see more buzzards than sailplanes while out on course. They're also better than humans at picking "good" thermals so you keep an eye out for them.

Flying in a gaggle is somewhat easier than formation flying in that you are free to find empty air any time that you get uncomfortable or have to maneuver away from conflict. It's sort of like driving at speed on a busy highway that has broad shoulders.

The finish is the other convergence point. I've gone through the finish gate with as many as three other sailplanes in rapid succession (and coming from different directions through a 90-degree included angle) but we managed to sort out who goes where in the few minutes that we have before we have to land. It's basically first come, first to land, but anybody with more speed and/or altitude will defer to somebody who has less.


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 Post subject: Re: Hellcat
PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 5:54 pm 
Bill Greenwood wrote:
Hellcat, As for a being worried about potential collision in a big group, it is similar to flying over mountains or water. If you focus on the danger, yes it is some concern, the potential for big wreck is there. But once you decide to do the show you put it in the back of your mind and concentrate on what you must do as one pilot in one plane. I certainly think about which way is "out" if there is an emergency, usually down and to the side in a step down formation.
At a big show like Osh you may know the experience of many of the other pilots. You don't have a person join a big formation if it is their first time flying formation. Most of the groups hold a practice session or two during the year such as the one we used to have at Kenosha, or the one at Odessa for the T-6. I got my formation rating from Archie Donahue in the CAF in 1987, after flying with Carl Payne, Howard Pardue, Jackie Lee, etc. I later got a lot of good practice with Lou and the T-34 group who are very receptive to including new people in their training. Carl with the T-6 group used to give good ground school classes, and the video made by the T-28 group is the foundation for formation. Anybody wanting to learn should get this from EAA, etc. You can skip the first 30 minute which is mostly philoso-baloney, and really learn the next hour. The 2nd part is more advanced like formation takeoffs which I really enjoy. I have done a few formation landings which really gets your attention.
I have found once I got to a certain stage of formation capability, it seems to stay with me fairly well, and come back quickly the next season, more so than say instrument flying. I've never gotten good enough to be able ot stay centered through a lot of maneuvers like lazy 8s, but in normal flight with a smooth, gradual leader it is not too hard.
A formation rating is required to fly formation ONLY if you are in waivered airspace like a show. Often some of the pilots, even experienced ones don't have the card, but they can still fly, as single plane in trail, not joined up. Ain't no way a show wants to leave a P-38 parked just cause the pilot doesn't have a card.


Bill, as usual, thanks for the imput, I didn't even realize I think I have already met you at OSH a few years ago. I've been up next to your spit. I was the one with the 3 hot girls, remember? .... hahahaha .... didn't think so. I think I have a photo.


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 Post subject: Re: Sailplane Gaggles
PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 7:01 pm 
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Tailspin Turtle wrote:
Particularly when out on course (it's not important when climbing for a start or hanging out waiting for the right time to start), pilots working to center the core may move their circle over far enough to begin to intersect the original circle head-on. That gets interesting. We're required to wear parachutes but given the circumstances, it's amazing that mid-airs are very infrequent.


Very true about mid-airs. We only had one during the worlds here, one fatal and one was able to parachute out.

Over the years we have had a bump or two between sailplanes, but that was usually when we had a standard or 15 meter class nationals and 50 to 65 sailplanes on site. But still very rare.


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