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I didn't mention Great Britain, Germany, or the Israelis, simply because I think that some of the F-4s that those countries had may have been bought outright, new , from McDonnell.


I believe we did buy outright, and ours were completely different to everyone else's in being redesigned to be powered by the RR Spey.... :roll:

But, I believe the conditions of sale etc, that you describe still applied, as there have been 'issues' with some of the UK F-4's that have gone to museums and IIRC it was the major stumbling block to Mark Hanna's attempts to get the airworthy F-4 OFMC bought from the RAF (one that Mark had actually flown in RAF service) civil certified.

There were many at the time that were salivating at the prospect of seeing Mark Hanna display flying the F-4 in his own inimitable style.
His Hunter displays were awesome, Mark having been on the last RAF tactical weapons conversion course that used the Hunter prior to the type's retirement.


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Firebird, I know that the Spey powered F-4 were outright purchases. I wasn't sure how the later Navy Phantoms that were transferred to the UK came about. That's why I didn't include them in the original list.

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Firebird, I know that the Spey powered F-4 were outright purchases. I wasn't sure how the later Navy Phantoms that were transferred to the UK came about. That's why I didn't include them in the original list.


Aah...the 15 x J's that went to 74 Sqn........can't remember exactly TBH.....from memory I believe they were also bought outright as well.


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into drones to be BLOWN UP in the nevada deserts.... :crispy:


Yeah and do stupid things like train our fighter pilots.


to do with modern air to air combat.

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S: Took hammer away from midget.


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Mustangdriver, there have been some rare instances where a demilled aircraft that was supposed to be classed as scrap got away from the system. But I can guarantee you with 100 % accuracy that you can't call up the USAF, NMUSAF, Navy, etc... and buy ANYTHING classed as turbine and or tactical.


Sorry, but I played a gig at a military "bar" under an A7-Corsair, (looking for the image in my "too disorganized computer") and I can tell you for fact, this aircraft on poles has everything less weapons. It was purchased direct from the Navy. It has all avionics, engines, systems, etc, less weapons. I have been there, touched it, and sung old country music under it.

He was negotiating for a T-33 "on a stick" as well as a Hercules to adapt to a bar/restaurant addition. Imma tella you, this guy has an inside track and really pulls these deals off. :D


OK so the cranial cells kicked in and here are the photos I referred to.

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hm...sawsall, battery, avgas...

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You might want to change that to JP-8.

Not sure how that one got away. Circumstances are murky I'm sure.

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