Colorado F W 190

Bill Greenwood · **Posted:** Thu Dec 20, 2007 8:24 pm

Guess what I just saw in Boulder? A truck just unloaded a F W 190? Hey. Santa I said a Mustang or Bearcat but this will do. Then I realized it was for someone else. I don't know him or have photos or much info. I think its a full size kit replica, not original. It has a fuselage, tail, most of the wings, engine mount, and was sitting on gear and tires. There was a radial engine alongside. It will be a lot of work and money to finish it as a flying airplane, but it sure brought an air of excitement to the airport.

daveymac82c · **Posted:** Thu Dec 20, 2007 8:32 pm

Hey Bill,

Is it full size? Let us know more when you find out.

-David

P51Mstg · **Joined:** Tue Jan 25, 2005 11:36 am **Posts:** 1202

Bill probably saw it through his GUNSIGHT and then he hosed it down. It's still lying there burning as we speak............ Oh well the skies over the US are safer tonight, the USAF doesn't defend them like the olden days, someone might as well..............

Mark H

warbird1 · **Joined:** Fri Sep 21, 2007 6:25 pm **Posts:** 2760

Cool Bill. Now you will have a playmate!

Chuck Gardner · **Posted:** Thu Dec 20, 2007 10:01 pm

Another Flug Werk??????

Broken-Wrench · **Joined:** Sun Oct 24, 2004 12:37 pm **Posts:** 1197

I sent it to Colorado to shoot down that troublesome spitfire that has been know to patrol that area! :lol:

Jase · **Posted:** Fri Dec 21, 2007 1:48 am

Bill, It's rude of you to tease us and not post pics!!!

:)

corsair166b · **Posted:** Fri Dec 21, 2007 11:24 am

Bill, I seriously hope you are seriopus about this...I've been DYING to see one of these things up close and if we now have one in Boulder I will have to know more!! Keep us updated!!

Mark

Bill Greenwood · **Posted:** Fri Dec 21, 2007 11:31 am

Mark, Can't you guys take a joke? Actually, it is well known on WIX that I am a Democrat, and thus always tell the truth when speaking of matters of weapons. It was there, it is now in a hangar, I don't know the owner and I didn't have a camera. I was on my way to test fly my Bonanza, which went well. One guy took a cell phone picture, don't know if that can go on WIX.

F3A-1 · **Posted:** Fri Dec 21, 2007 12:40 pm

I suspect this is the full size replica that was on ebay a couple of years ago. I had looked at this project myself last year. A man in western Pennsilvania built it and the quality of his workmanship is first rate. He did choose a steel tube and aluminum cover for the fuselage back to the tail cone and then empanage and tail feathers of wood/fiberglass. It included a PW-1830 and Hamilton Standard prop. It was a complete new design and scratch built, not Flugwerk or Jurca.

Pirate Lex
http://www.BrewsterCorsair.com

CH2Tdriver · **Posted:** Fri Dec 21, 2007 2:09 pm

Bill,

In case you do decide to have a go at that 190 in your Spit, here's some info for you seeing as you have some time to read up till that 190 is put together.

(It was great to meet you at Geneseo BTW!)

http://www.odyssey.dircon.co.uk/Spitfire9v190.htm

InJuly 1942 a Spitfire IX was flown in a comparative trial against a Focke-Wulf 190A which had fallen into British hands when its pilot landed by mistake at Pembrey RAF base at in Wales. The trial showed that there was a remarkable similarity in performance. The following are extracts from the official report.

SPITFIRE IX VERSUS FW 190A
TheFW190 was compared with a fully operational Spitfire IX for speed and manoeuvrability at heights up to 25,000 feet [7620 metres].

At most heights the Spitfire IX is slightly superior in speed to the FW190 -
the approximate differences in speed are as follows:

At 2,000 ft [610 m] the FW 190 is 7-8 mph [11-13 km/hr] faster than the Spitfire
At 5,000 ft [1524 m] the FW 190 and the Spitfire are approximately the same
At 8,000 ft [2440 m] the Spitfire IX is 8 mph [13 km/hr] faster than the FW 190
At 15,000 ft [4573 m] the Spitfire IX is 5 mph [8 km/hr] faster than the FW 190
At 18,000 ft [5488 m] the FW 190 is 3 mph [5 km/hr] faster than the Spitfire IX
At 21,000 ft [6400 m] the FW 190 and the Spitfire are approximately the same
At 25,000 ft [7622 m] the Spitfire IX is 5-7 mph [8-11 km/hr] faster than the FW 190

Climb:During comparative climbs at various heights up to 23,000 feet [7012 metres], with both aircraft flying under maximum continuous climbing conditions, little difference was found between the two aircraft although on the whole the Spitfire was slightly better.

Above 22,000 feet [6707 m] the climb of the FW 190 is falling off rapidly, whereas the climb of the Spitfire IX is increasing.

Dive: The FW 190 is faster than the Spitfire IX in a dive, particularly during the initial stage. This superiority is not as marked as with the Spitfire VB.

Manoeuvrability: The FW 190 is more manoeuvrable than the Spitfire IX except in turning circles.
The superior rate of roll of the FW 190 enabled it to avoid the Spitfire IX by turning over into a diving turn in the opposite direction.

The Spitfire IX's worst heights for fighting the FW 190 were between 18,000 and 22,000 feet [5486-6707m] and also below 3,000 feet [914m].

The initial acceleration of the FW 190 is better than that of the Spitfire IX under all conditions of flight, except in level flight at altitudes where the Spitfire has a speed advantage.

The general impression of the pilots involved in the trials is that the Spitfire Mark IX compares well with the FW 190. Providing the Spitfire IX has the initiative, it undoubtedly stands a good chance of shooting down the FW 190. :supz:

Cheers,
Pete

corsair166b · **Posted:** Fri Dec 21, 2007 3:34 pm

Bill, I'm seeing a photo flight in the future, if this guy gets it up and running and we can find a camera ship fast enough for you two (Zayac's racing T-6?)....maybe ask Thibodeau to join us so we have a 51 along also? All to be seen and arranged depending on how soon the FW is up and flying....it'd be fun!

Mark

Bluedharma · **Posted:** Fri Dec 21, 2007 7:07 pm

Bill,
Is this one of user "gordonpagecolorado" Gordon Page's new toys?
I know he used to look for these type of things out in Russia quite a bit.http://warbirdinformationexchange.org/phpBB2/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&u=1912

I know he was looking for some 109s and that is what his book was about.
Maybe he got lucky.
http://www.warbirdrecovery.com/

Regards,

Bill Greenwood · **Posted:** Fri Dec 21, 2007 7:19 pm

I know Gordon Page, though not well, and he was not the one there when I saw the plane yesterday. I think Lex may be correct, this may be a personally built full size replica, not Flug Werk.
I'm not sure of the owner and would rather not speak until I am. One of the people there took a photo and I explained to him about WIX and he said he may put the photo on here. I guess it may be however difficult it is for him to register and join.

gordonpagecolorado · **Posted:** Fri Dec 21, 2007 8:59 pm

Not part of our collection, but would like to know who the new owner is and what they are going to do with it.
FYI, we are still putting our 109s together along with a Mustang. In addition we are about to start building a new facility at Erie.

Bill, would like you to be at the grand opening and will post a notice on WIX when we are ready. In the meantime, www.spiritofflight.com.

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