Fw190 Dora

Mon Sep 17, 2007 3:44 am

Some of selected images...

Mon Sep 17, 2007 5:44 am

Great pics..escpecially the captured Rooshen birds.

I think #6 may actually be a Ta-152, although if memory serves some late 190 Doras were built with Ta-152 tails.

SN

Mon Sep 17, 2007 5:48 am

I wonder the dates on the Russian birds. Were they perhaps post war?

Mon Sep 17, 2007 6:03 am

Yes- image six is Ta not the Fw... Soviets did capture a number of this airplane and make one unit of this airplanes. It is not much know about its fate [as well many of captured airplanes taken in their services]. Some info state that they get official Soviet camouflage and continued service after the war. Two samples are used as trainer in East Germany until the late '40. Soviet did take a lot of attention on the West manufactured warplanes and they have move everything they find in the USSR.

Here you are one color profile:

And maybe this could be interesting:

http://www.letletlet-warplanes.com/fock ... _sssr.html

Mon Sep 17, 2007 10:37 am

Obergrafeter wrote:I wonder the dates on the Russian birds. Were they perhaps post war?

The photos probably date from 1945 after Russian troops captured a Focke Wulf factory and a number of new aircraft. From what I've read, they were operated along the Black Sea but not in combat. Stalin ordered the destruction of all foreign aircraft in the late 1940s as he modernized the Soviet Air Force.

A good book on the subject is "Under the Red Star" by Carl-Fredrik Guest.

Mon Sep 17, 2007 12:54 pm

Pic #1 also appears to be some sort of Ta-152 prototype, based on an early model fuselage (A model IIRC).

cool pics, thanks for posting them.

gv

Mon Sep 17, 2007 1:22 pm

DoraNineFan wrote:
Obergrafeter wrote:I wonder the dates on the Russian birds. Were they perhaps post war?

Stalin ordered the destruction of all foreign aircraft in the late 1940s as he modernized the Soviet Air Force.

I'm not sure how accurate that statement is or the circumstances surrounding it. In a recent issue of Flight Journal there was an article in which it told that during the early months of the Korean War (Oct 1950) there was accidental raid of F-80s on a russian airfeild. The aircraft targeted on the airfield were mostly P-63s and P-39s with some other Soviet types.

Also there is evidence of B-25s, A-20s and C-47 in Russian museums that survived this destruction order.

But it would be extraordinary if some more German types have survived in Russia.

Shay
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Mon Sep 17, 2007 2:14 pm

Long time ago I have talk with some researchers about this late WW2 days and after the war... In general Soviet Union was prepared for the forthcoming possible confrontation with the west. In this way they are take attention to collect all of the west machines as well they was very quality built. There was also unconfirmed info that units of P-63 was dedicated for the defense of Moscow. Problem is that even it the former Soviet Union researchers are not clear about the destiny of many types. For example Spitfires are dispersed in wide area of former USSR as well some other types. I have seen long time ago image where was founded some P-63 in total abandoned area.

This subject is much interesting at all.

Mon Sep 17, 2007 9:20 pm

Several years ago at the unveiling of one of the times the CAF P-39 was rebuilt there was a delegation from Russia and I remember they insisted that all P-39s were Russian built, and it wasn't until they were shown the data plate that they believed they were built in New York. not sure they beleived it then.

Mon Sep 17, 2007 11:06 pm

Neat shots. The -190 just doesn't look right with the red star, but that's just me.