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I'm getting to retire from the AF in Nov. Won't miss it, not scared to be heading into the unknow.

What does scare me is what the he11 am I (we?) going to do when Gary's done with Lil & she's flown the coop!! What and/or who is going to be able to do a thread like this so I can have my fix? The slowing down of Gary's posts will probably help, at least I won't have to break up with Lil cold turkey.

This has been the most informative & interesting thread ever, & I've learned a lot. My hat's off to ya Gary.

BTW, hey Mike (Helldivers) think you can do something similar, even if only on a smaller scale, with your TBM. Now that's another project that would interest the he11 out of us.

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Gary, thank you for your update. I really love seeing Diamond Lil coming together. She's really looking great!

You and your team are really doing a supurb job with her.

Keep it up. And like Jim just said, I absolutely love reading your updates on "Lil" and am worried what I'll do when you're all done with her.

If I were to try posting pictures of restorations at my museum, it would be very long, and not quite as exciting. What you can do in a month on "Lil" would usually take three months at my museum. You guys ae doing a great job.

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Great news for you originality junkies.......we just received our bombsight. It's a Sperry S1, just like what this airplane would've had in it back in May of 1941. They are quite rare and I was lucky to be able to do some trading to get it. It even came in it's factory shipping container (although the packing material was provided by Hugh Hefner. That was a nice surprise indeed. ;-) ).

Here's what it looks like.......

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One thing about it though, is it's quite heavy. I needed help lifting it, so Mosquito the Cat pitched in. I told him to lift with his legs and not his back, but you know how cats are...they just don't listen. :roll:

Anyway, I think I need to get the workman's comp paperwork filled out. It looks like he's twisted his back...........

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Gary,
I'm starting to wonder what I find more interesting.
The progression of the B-24 or the further adventures of Col.
Mossie-Rattlesnake Rangler/bombrack inspector/P-47 scanner :shock: 8)

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Now that's super groovy!

I must say though, I've never been as interested in packing material as I seem to be at the moment...

And cats will be cats. Indeed, they never do listen to anything you tell them... until it's dinner time, that is. Then they can hear juuuust fine.


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Gary,

What is it with that place--first you and now Skeeter! We're going to have to send someone out to monitor that workplace. The sight is a beautiful thing, and I love that serial number.

To everyone else, see what happens when Gary and the cats don't have any help!? Get down there and pitch in before something happens to Shadow.

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Anyway, I think I need to get the workman's comp paperwork filled out. It looks like he's twisted his back...........

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Careful Gary...that's all you need are more vet bills! :shock: :wink: Think of it this way...Mosquito is just keeping your seat warm for you while you're away from your computer. Aircraft and ordinance inspection takes a lot out of him so he has to take numerous breaks throughout the day. I think its written into the by-laws of the local hanger cat union or something. :lol:

Thanks for posting the pics...especially the close-up of the old Sperry bombsite (never seen one up close). Did this one come from Taigh?

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<<snip>>don't forget that there were new-build C-87s also and that 927 was a prototype/proving ground airplane. I can't say that I have looked up, but it may not have any astrodome/turret locations due to the fact that this section had no B-24 heritage but is rather a C-87 pattern. The oddities of this airplane could fill a book . All the modifications make it even more fun to be involved in a small way with this project. <<snip>>

Have to wonder how much of AM927 being a test bed is true... The Liberator I-II as well as the B-24A were pretty much obsolete by the time they hit the front line squadrons.

Since the first Liberators were also hand made (as compared to the production line versions) much of the systems (electrical / hydraulics / fuel, not to mension the station numbering ect...) of these aircraft did not correspond to the later production models making them limited in use as test beds.

I also know that Consolidated often used 2 or 3 production aircraft to test different ideas (Production B-24D's were used to test the C-87 concept, B-24J, B-24K (single tail B-24) PB4Y-2 as well as the systems used in the B-32 & B-36 (pressurization, remote control turrets etc...)).

So a singleton was of very limited use (especially if the aircraft was to crash duing tests) (unless AM927 & "Ole Granpappy" (ie the XB-24/YB-24 [which was scrapped in 1948])) were somehow working together! But, Ole Granpappy was fitted out as a very plush executive transport.

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Also, from Gary's presentation (way, way back on page 1) AM927 got her nose job about 1944 (photos from this time show AM927 in Bare metal & late WW2 insignia / short & long nose) - long, long after she was need to test the concept of the longer nose (and yes the XB-24 kept her original nose till she was scrapped).

So what was AM927 doing for Consolidated??

Certainly, she was not used as an executive transport (like NA's B-25 "WHISKEY EXPRESS") my best guess was she was used to carry the ferry pilots back to Consolidated after the aircraft were dropped off at the modification centers, as well as sometimes carring essential parts to stranded aircraft. Or did she have a fancy interior - anyone have interior pictures of AM927 either with Consolidated or with Continental Can

Still does not explain her nose job however, unless AM927 had a nose gear collapse - but again, why modify an obsolete design (Liberator I / B-24A) when they had brand new aircraft coming off the lines - and from what donor aircraft did they take the parts needed to make these changes (at least parts from several RY-3's).

But why no single tail (like Churchhill's "Commando" ex Liberator II(which was modified to RY-3 standards?))

Unless AM927 was off the books and Consolidated did not have to acknowledege there usage of her to the USAAF!

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These anology might be like someone working in an auto factory ordering a brand new car from where he works - they are not going to pay for all the fancy upgrades when they could liberate (borrow?) and modify their car without paying for them (paying for a VW and getting a Caddy)

Sorry for the long thoughts -

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I've posted this before, but it appears that it's a good time to do it again. By the way, we have all of the information below documented, in original letters. If needed (translation: If nobody believes what I've posted here), I can post pictures of some of them I reckon........

In the many years that the CAF has owned and operated the B-24, AM927, how many different stories have you heard regarding her history? As of this writing, I have only been with the CAF for just under three years, but have personally heard several different stories with an equal amount of different variations. It seems that as time went on, each person’s recollection of the history of our great airplane has “gotten better” each time it was told. Recently, several B-29/B-24 Squadron members have looked diligently into the real history of AM927. They found original schematics and documentation, along with taking in research from The B-24 Liberator, by Allan Blue. It is my feeling that its due time that we all know this history and be sure that we tell the right stories when talking with the general public regarding this airplane.

-Our aircraft was the 25th in the production line. As a B-24A, it was going to have the serial number, 40-2366. However, that serial number was never officially issued to this aircraft, as the war in Europe changed Consolidated’s plans for the first batch of B-24A’s.

-On June 4, 1940, France signed a contract with Consolidated Aircraft Corporation (CAC) to include the purchase of 175 B-24A aircraft (the designation for the export version for the French, then later, British, was to be LB-30). Roughly two weeks later, France was occupied by Germany, so Great Britain took over the contract, but reduced the order to 159 airplanes.

-Because of the contract exchange, the first of the production Liberators to be rolled out were the six YB-24’s that were converted to LB-30A’s for the British. Next came the twenty Liberator I’s (AM910 thru AM929). They were carried as LB-30B’s, or “B-24A Conversions” on Consolidated’s records. AM927 was serial number 18, of the twenty LB-30A’s (or B-24A Conversions) that were built in this batch. It should be noted that the primary differences between the B-24A and the LB30B were merely the armament and radio packages.

-On May 7, 1941, AM927 was officially delivered to the British Purchasing Commission and an Export Declaration was signed. The value of the aircraft at the time is listed as $258, 074.67. However, AM927 was not delivered to England at this time, but was taken to Albuquerque, NM, for crew training at the Eagle Nest Flight Training Center, run by Transcontinental & Western Airlines (T&WA, later to become TWA).

- (The following excerpt was taken from an official accident report) On July 24, 1941, AM927 was cleared to land by the control tower and the crew performed the before landing checklist, which included a check of the toe brakes. On landing rollout, with the nosewheel on the runway, the aircraft began drifting to the right, as the brakes appeared to be partially locked up. Power was brought up on #4 engine and left rudder was applied. Midway down the runway, the right main gear collapsed, followed by failure of the nosegear. The crew of three hurriedly exited the aircraft through the overhead hatch. They suffered minor injuries. Because of a shortage of aircraft, the ship was hangared and underwent a six month repair. However, it was nearly one year before the airplane was back in service due to the conversion and to arrange the loan of the aircraft from the British to Consolidated.
- On September 2, 1942, a letter was written to Consolidated Aircraft Corporation by a British representative who was concerned about rumors that Consolidated had converted their airplane in to a “luxuriously upholstered, bar equipped, Consolidated Chariot.” The following is the reply from Consolidated to the British (paraphrased slightly to reduce unnecessary content) in order to describe the changes made to AM927 after its landing accident and what was being done with the airplane once back in service:
…”I can describe the airplane, by telling you that we removed all the bomb bay doors, all bomb structure, and all interior bulkheads aft of the pilot’s compartment. The bomb bay area has been closed over with smooth skin and stringers, similar to the balance of the structure; seven windows have been cut on each side of the fuselage and on the left-hand side, aft of the windows, a door has been installed, approximately 3’x6’. The bottom of the fuselage has been floored over with plywood, covered with aluminum alloy sheet in which quick disconnect fittings have been installed for locating and holding 16 Army transport type seats.

The floor is bare aluminum alloy without any covering of any kind. At the junction of the floor and sidewalls, ventilating and heating ducts extend the length of the fuselage. Again, these are of unpainted aluminum alloy. From these air ducts, up the side of the ship to the windows, the side is covered with some kind of Masonite board, as in the area directly under the wing in the cabin. This part does look nice. In the sidewalls, we have installed ashtrays and oxygen regulators for high altitude flying. Above the Masonite paneling, covering the balance of the side of the ship and the ceiling, is a heavy khaki canvas material, which I assure you, is far from luxurious. It is approximately the same kind of material, as I recall, that we use for making engine covers, although it may be of a slightly better grade. In the back of the ship, aft of the door, we have installed two wooden bulkheads, forming a single compartment for a washroom and toilet. Just ahead of this aft bulkhead, an icebox has been installed (the same kind as is used in the Navy PB2Y3’s. I assure you there is no bar in the airplane.”

The letter then went on with descriptions of various flights and destinations that AM927 had been used for. It continues here with more information describing the importance of AM927 to the B-24 program…
…”As you know, our Ft. Worth plant was scheduled to produce airplanes from parts manufactured by Ford. To date, Ford has yet to deliver a single piece to Ft. Worth and we are endeavoring to keep Ft. Worth supplied with parts manufactured in San Diego. Dividing critical items between Ft. Worth and San Diego makes it imperative that urgently required parts be flown to Ft. Worth…which is being done with AM927.

…In addition to carrying cargo and personnel on the various flights, we are using AM927 experimentally to produce better B-24D airplanes. We have suffered for a long time with heavy control forces on the B-24’s. With AM927, we have made numerous tests around San Diego with various gadgets to reduce these forces, but the answer does not come from such local flight tests. We must learn what effect the reduction in control forces has in all kinds of flights and weather conditions and after hours and hours of flying. We are making progress on this problem through the use of AM927.

This ship is also being used as the prototype for the C-87 transport version of the B-24.
AM927 has been worth it’s weight in gold to us in promoting the War Effort, so much that we could use two or three more just like it, and as soon as a steady stream of transports are being delivered from Ft. Worth, we plan to make a tremendous effort to obtain two or three B-24A’s, like AM927, for a similar conversion. I am confident that our record on the use of AM927 will go a long way in securing those for us.”
Kindest regards,
Frank A. Learman
Consolidated Aircraft Corporation


-Throughout the War, AM927 was used by Consolidated to continue to transport cargo and executives from place to place. Although there have been numerous rumors that some people of “celebrity stature,” such as Teddy & Eleanor Roosevelt, Madame Chiang Kai Chek, etc. have flown on this aircraft, we have no written or photographic evidence to prove it, so it should be assumed that until proof is found, these people did not fly in AM927.

-February 14, 1945, AM927 had the “short” B-24A nose section removed and had a nose section from an RY-3 installed. This nose section also included the C-87 type baggage compartment. At this time, the aircraft also had the PBY type power plants (firewall forward) installed, to make the items in the engine compartment interchangeable with aircraft still being produced.

-AM927 provided a valuable military service for the duration of the War and was still being utilized by Consolidated as late as November 1948. At most military bases and airports across the country, she became quite popular and was known as “Ol’ 927.”

-November 10, 1948, AM927 was sold to the Continental Can Corporation. The aircraft was outfitted with sleeping berths and reclining chairs and was used to transport company executives from its home base in Morristown, NJ to numerous locations that were associated with Continental Can’s operations. They continued to use AM927 in this manner for nearly 11 years.

-April 14, 1959, Pemex, a Mexican petroleum company, purchased AM927. They used the aircraft not only as an executive transport, but to haul drums of oil from place to place. They owned the airplane for eight and a half years.

-May 1968, AM927 was purchased by the Confederate Air Force, thanks largely to Vic Agather (also responsible for obtaining FIFI, the CAF’s B-29 Superfortress). The rest, as they say, is history.

Gary Austin
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Fascinating stuff Gary, thanks for posting that.

Hmmm, so it seems that she could possibly still technically be owned by the British Government. Better get her ready for a transatlantic flight then, Gary! :wink:


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Awww, what the h*ll. Here's some pictures of a few of the letters that document the history of AM927 for some of the non-believers out there.....

This particular letter was actually about AL610, but mentions AM927......

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Another letter about AM927......

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And another. This one is one of my favorites, because it is in response to a letter from the British Air Commision that said it had heard rumors that Consolidated had turned AM927 into a "luxuriously upholstered, bar equipped, Consolidated chariot, that was once British." Of course, I probably should include a photo of that letter too, huh? :roll:

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I managed to get the remainder of Daniel's structure for the intermediate floors shot together today, along with getting one of the floorboards fabricated. Naturally, I didn't get as far along as I'd hoped, but it's still progress.........

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And of course I had to make the floor hinged so that we can stuff garage sale junk under it........

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That is one neat thing about the new nose art...it's certainly not original for this airplane, but it looks great and I bet it'll sell a gazillion shirts. That's why I have to make all of this extra storage space.

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That is one neat thing about the new nose art...it's certainly not original for this airplane, but it looks great and I bet it'll sell a gazillion shirts. That's why I have to make all of this extra storage space.


Oh Gary, you tease! :D

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One thing about it though, is it's quite heavy. I needed help lifting it, so Mosquito the Cat pitched in. I told him to lift with his legs and not his back, but you know how cats are...they just don't listen. :roll:

Anyway, I think I need to get the workman's comp paperwork filled out. It looks like he's twisted his back...........

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Yep, he's definitely in pain. You'd better rush him to the vet for a CAT SCAN. :lol: Jeez, I crack myself up. . .

BTW, that bomb sight is an awesome acquisition!

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Yep, he's definitely in pain. You'd better rush him to the vet for a CAT SCAN. :lol: Jeez, I crack myself up. . .


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