P-43 Lancer

tom d. friedman · **Posted:** Thu Nov 03, 2005 9:41 pm

a genuine p-43 wreck recovery would be on the same page of importance as the finland / usn f2a buffalo!!!!

SRS · **Joined:** Thu Oct 07, 2004 10:13 pm **Posts:** 21

SRS wrote:

bdk wrote:

Col. Rohr wrote:

Ok Folks,

Here is a list of Lancers lost in the US that might still be out their.

39-711 Lost Near Alpena MI 7/16/1941

Maybe a good prospect for our friend Taras?

Listed as a landing accident at the county airport. Doubt if it's still there.

Robs right, it's a bail out near the Collins County Airport. Maybe it did the pilot some good, as Major Vaughn went on to become an ace with 7 kills in Europe.

Originalboxcar · **Posted:** Fri Nov 04, 2005 6:10 am

SRS wrote:

bdk wrote:

Col. Rohr wrote:

Ok Folks,

Here is a list of Lancers lost in the US that might still be out their.

39-711 Lost Near Alpena MI 7/16/1941

Maybe a good prospect for our friend Taras?

Listed as a landing accident at the county airport. Doubt if it's still there.

Robs right, it's a bail out near the Collins County Airport. Maybe it did the pilot some good, as Major Vaughn went on to become an ace with 7 kills in Europe.

Whoops, missed the "at the county airport". I'd imagine then its gone as well.

SRS,

You must be referring to the Alpena County Regional Airport (Alpena county) as Collins County Airport which was officially Phelps Collins ANGB up until I believe 1983.

As far as the Packard reference, they did have an aeronautical history with a connection to Charles Lindbergh ->
http://shelbyhistory.tripod.com/id64.html

As you can see, the test track, airfield and hanger are gone:
http://shelbyhistory.tripod.com/id14.html

regards,

t~

airnutz · **Posted:** Fri Nov 04, 2005 3:03 pm

o-boxcar, I just wanted to point out to anyone who may have missed it...
I did. In your first link to the Packard Diesel, Walter E. Lees account of the
Lindbergh non-event with the diesel..Walters underlined name is a link to
to a website dedicated to Walter...one of the Early Birds...
http://home.earthlink.net/~ralphcooper/index.htm

Packard Diesel photos and planes
http://home.earthlink.net/~ralphcooper/pgalle07.htm

If you guys already knew this....then, well..nevermind.. :roll:

Back to Lancers...

Dan K · **Posted:** Sat Nov 05, 2005 1:46 am

Not sure what to tell you, Rob. My sources of info were:

1) original Flypast article and photo
2) brief phone conversation Thursday with the current owner of the few bits actually recovered

Not being an expert on either P-35 or P-43, I'm not in a position to challenge the information I've received. I'm just the messenger! :wink:

Bottom line: It's my understanding that the exact location of whatever is left of the airframe was lost with the demise of Mr. Ryan.

bdk · **Joined:** Sun May 02, 2004 1:16 am **Posts:** 11324

QUOTE:

Bill Larkins on another site wrote:

As far as I know there were only two P-43s offered for sale by the War Assets Administration. One was at Ontario (Chino), California and the other at Augusta, Georgia as of January 1946. I did photograph the one at Ontario and will post a photo as soon as I get a chance to scan it.

But I have never seen anything documenting one being given a civil registration. In working on the surplus book over the years I looked for just that sort of information. There is no record of a Type Certificate for the P-43 unless by some major clerical error it was included under AR-23 (Restricted Category) for the Seversky P-35.

I have no idea what happened to the P-43 at Ontario, or the one at Augusta, so one or both could have been sold to a civilian buyer. I sort of doubt it as it is so rare that someone would have commented on it in some book or magazine over the years.

Jiggersfromsphilly · **Joined:** Fri Jun 17, 2005 3:15 pm **Posts:** 951

bdk wrote:

How was it the #1 film between '42 and '45 if it was released in '45?

Maybe by the size of the gate receipts?

Jesse C. · **Posted:** Wed Mar 07, 2007 1:03 pm

I read in Air Classics that Earl Reinert claimed to have had the remains of a Lancer, but the pieces disapeared after his passing.

Anyone know anymore on this?

Trekker · **Joined:** Fri Dec 14, 2012 9:58 am **Posts:** 1

Apologies for resurrecting an old thread but I do have in my possession several recovered parts that I strongly believe are from 41-6718, I personally recovered them from a site very near to where the accounts of the day place the wreck as lying

JFS61 · **Joined:** Mon Apr 30, 2012 12:44 pm **Posts:** 305

Could you post us some pics? It would be nice to see even a little something of a P-43 before we all shuffle off this mortal coil (cough, cough, Australia, cough, cough. . .)

Nathan · **Posted:** Sat Dec 15, 2012 10:31 am

The AVG, China AF, and 23 PG used the P-43 limited up till 1944. Along with P-66's. they did claim several Japanese aircraft. The biggest problem was the fuel system with the P-43's. They did not have self sealing fuel tanks. They also leaked. But did have high altitude performance better then the P-40.

TonyM · **Posted:** Sat Dec 15, 2012 12:20 pm

Col. Rohr wrote:

Ok Folks,

Here is a list of Lancers lost in the US that might still be out their.

41-6700 Crash North of North Island SD Cal 12/28/1941

So their you go the five that might be out their that could be recovered of these I would say the last one might be a chance and the one North of NI is in rather shallow water less then 100 feet.

Cheers
RER

This airplane struck the water in a vertical dive; I doubt there is anything salvagable. There were 15 P-43 airplanes involved in fatal accidents in the US during WWII.

Page 38, Volume I and Page 1213, Volume III -- Fatal Army Air Forces Aviaition Accidents in the United States, 1941-1945

Noha307 · **Posted:** Sun Feb 09, 2014 5:45 pm

Time to re-resurrect this topic. I was just searching for P-43 survivors and aside from coming across this thread I also found a YouTube video that claims to show a flying P-43 at a desert airport. I'm to lazy to attempt a full confirmation, but it seems to be a possible match. It is in a dark blue U.S. Navy paint scheme with a checkerboard band around the engine cowling, "720" written below the cockpit, and "S" written on the rudder. I'm skeptical of such a airplane existing without anyone here knowing of it and don't really trust the accuracy of the average YouTube uploader. Could it be a replica?

JohnTerrell · **Posted:** Sun Feb 09, 2014 5:56 pm

It's a Harvard modified to look like a P-64: http://www.warbirdimages.com/the-p-64-screams

Digger · **Posted:** Sun Feb 09, 2014 6:04 pm

Hi all

I'm looking for Lancer parts, advertised on Barnstormers. Would appreciate more leads. A number of people have already come forward with parts and information.

Would appreciate any serious assistance and may be able to organise serious trades for such items.

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