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Mon Feb 19, 2007 1:13 pm
I am with you Rob, I hate the media for the most part. I think they have no business on the front line showing a raid in real time with a bunch of marines. They find any reason what so ever to bash the military. Then one of them gets injured, and we have to pay to airlift their ass out of the combat zone. I say reporters should stay in the rear with the gear.
Mon Feb 19, 2007 1:23 pm
I've always heard it the way Mudge said it!
Mon Feb 19, 2007 1:35 pm
Two things,
Rifle, .30 Calibre, M-1. You can talk airplanes all you want, but there were many times this device was in use without a flying airplane a thousand miles away, and it prevailed more times than not. A GI carried a basic load twice that of a German infantryman. A rifle team could lay down more fire with M-1's, more accurately, than a German machine gun could. I don't think it killed more Germans, Japanese or Italians than everything else, but holding it gave an infantryman a reason to move forward, because he knew it would work 99.99999% of the time, even if nothing else worked.
Howitzer, 105mm, M-2 or M-3, towed. The tanks sucked, your own air force would bomb you. But if you had a wire and a field phone linked to an FO who would approve the mission, this gun was usually the one sending mail to your friends on the other side of the battle line. A German infantry commander said about the American infantry that when they had a problem, they called Artillery. This was the artillery they usually called.
Eisenhower said the landing craft, the truck, the C-47, and the Bazooka in most of his speeches. It varied in several different speeches to the Liberty Ship, the Jeep, the Sherman Tank, and a few others I can't remember. But I would submit that whenever one of these weapons was used and effective at a critical time during the war, it was used to carry ammunition for the M-1 or Howitzerew or to support men using these two weapons. His greates asset in most of the battles was a guy carrying an M-1, and the fact that we could outshoot artillery rounds 10 to 1 against the Germans by the end of the war.
Mon Feb 19, 2007 2:02 pm
It was the fact that we were on the correct side of good vs. evil. A winner never gives up!
It took a while, but the evil authoritarians (socialists, Nazis, military dictatorships, etc.) lost. Now all we need to do is to finish off the Islamo-fascists and we can all live in peace and harmony just like they sang about in the 1960s.
Mon Feb 19, 2007 2:36 pm
Rifle, .30 Calibre, M-1. You can talk airplanes all you want, but there were many times this device was in use without a flying airplane a thousand miles away, and it prevailed more times than not. A GI carried a basic load twice that of a German infantryman. A rifle team could lay down more fire with M-1's, more accurately, than a German machine gun could. I don't think it killed more Germans, Japanese or Italians than everything else, but holding it gave an infantryman a reason to move forward, because he knew it would work 99.99999% of the time, even if nothing else worked.
and the guts of the man behind it
Mon Feb 19, 2007 2:52 pm
What won the war for the Allies? If I may humbly submit...
Hitler as opposing Commander-in-Chief.
'Ve vill infade ze Soviets! Und ve schall TRIUMPHHHH!!!'
'Ve can destroy ze RAF vissin 4 veeks'.
'But, mein General, der Fuhrer ist schleeping! Surely zis iss not ze real infazion! Der Fuhrer would have been awakened by a warning from Valkyrie!'
Mon Feb 19, 2007 3:56 pm
Okay, just to throw the proverbial monkey wrench in the works....
Has any of you read a book titled "Trading with the enemy"??
I began reading it some 15 years ago and did not have the guts to finish it; it sickened me to the point that I had to put the book away for good.
If any of you has read this book, I would appreciate any comments on it.
Saludos,
Tulio
Mon Feb 19, 2007 4:00 pm
Who wrote it?
Mon Feb 19, 2007 4:07 pm
QUANTITY.
Qualitatively, our enemies' men, equipment, and military organizations were as good as ours. But we had the capacity to replace our losses longer than they did. WWII was a war of attrition. We outlasted them. We owe the war to our industrial base and to Rosie the Riveter back home.
Ollie is right too about the Russians, for the same reason. They truly won the war in Europe for all of us.
August
Mon Feb 19, 2007 4:45 pm
fotobass wrote:Who wrote it?
http://www.namebase.org/sources/HQ.html
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Fasci ... erpts.html
I believe that the second link points to the correct author. It has been 15 years, so I don't remember the author's name.
Saludos,
Tulio
Mon Feb 19, 2007 5:05 pm
ITT built Focke-Wulfs? Hey, let's call them and see if they still have the plans and jigs!
Seriously, this doesn't look like serious history. If these are excerpts, where are all the citations to sources? I have no doubt that many American companies kept trading with Germany right up until it became illegal to do so, and a few may have kept it up in a small way, but basically this rings of conspiracy silliness.
August
Mon Feb 19, 2007 6:13 pm
the m-1 rifle, the jeep, & according to general patton...... by making the other poor dumb bastard die for HIS COUNTRY!!!
Mon Feb 19, 2007 6:33 pm
THE C-47
which by the way ours (C-47B-1-DL # 43-16369)was with the 9th AF arriving in England in August of 1944. If anyone knows more details on which TCG and TCS it was with please let me know.
Mon Feb 19, 2007 6:38 pm
I agree with what August said. In short, they "awakened a sleeping giant and filled him with terrible resolve."
Mudge the resolute
Mon Feb 19, 2007 9:15 pm
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