hurricane_yank wrote:
Xray wrote:
hurricane_yank wrote:
This is more of a head-on video.
https://twitter.com/JasonWhitely/status ... 1798668291Opinion - P63 was watching/following Lead P-51 (seen briefly, far right) and never saw B-17. Sad day for all.
This is not meant to incite an argument or start questioning or building opinions...but I am genuinely curious (as I have no knowledge here) but aren't there briefings on looping patterns and tower control for these shows or is it more flexible?
Separation & situational awareness are obviously high priorities at large warbird gatherings like this, something went amuck and speculation is pointless at this time.
I have seen "flexible" shows when I was a kid, including shows with no tower control at all, in fact no tower present. This could not have been one of those, with major performers at a large city airfield. Typically, tower hands off control to an "airboss" when showtime starts, who uses his own frequency to control the aircraft, and has complete operational control over all performing aircraft for the entire duration of the show from takeoff to landing. These "bosses" actually travel the country controlling shows, not sure how many of them there are but I would guess the numbers are low.
Traffic can easily be monitored on a scanner, I have been listening in for years at shows. Never thought about it but I presume the airboss concept was/is to use guys to control this highly specialized and unique airflow, as an average air controller would not be well versed controlling a dozen or more aircraft making continuous passes. Also minimizes potential for miscommunications since they are all on a single control frequency. [The only exceptions to airboss control are demo teams like the Blue Angels. They use their own controller, and you can hear them hand off and hand back control during the progression of shows] When the last performer lands and the show is over, airboss hands airspace control back to the tower, and the formerly very active airboss frequency goes dead.
Very skilled and experienced, but not perfect, I have heard them get overwhelmed and make mistakes. No one would have had a better technical overview into what went wrong here than the airboss, and his input will be critical to the investigation.
Thank you, and again no intention on my post to start speculation, after 30+ years of going to shows it is nice to finally have some insight into the actual process as it is something that I have never dug into.[/quote]
Absolutely, I think everyone is tempted to theorize and assign blame and causes, but realize it would be pointless and tasteless so early on.
I'll say only this - I think it won't be difficult for the experts to lay out the causes for this, and likely already know by now [unless there were mechanical issues that we are unaware of].
I am not an aviation professional BTW, pilot, controller, anything like that.
Just a long time aviation enthusiast who has attended many, many airshows over the decades, and do have insight into the inner workings of these shows due to monitoring them for so long ,, But I stand ready to be corrected by anyone with more knowledge if I said anything in error.