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Fri Mar 21, 2014 10:08 am
Where are they these days? Just the real thing, not the Spanish made version
Fri Mar 21, 2014 10:18 am
One in Niagara currently for sale with Ed Russell Group (which hasn't flown for about 5 years now) and one at Paine Field with Paul Allen. Both Bf 109Es built by Craig Charleston.
That's it!
Fri Mar 21, 2014 10:30 am
How about a short list of both flying HA1112 and 109's?
Fri Mar 21, 2014 10:36 am
Doesn't EADS have a few?
Fri Mar 21, 2014 11:09 am
Mike wrote:One in Niagara currently for sale with Ed Russell Group (which hasn't flown for about 5 years now) and one at Paine Field with Paul Allen. Both Bf 109Es built by Craig Charleston.
That's it!
Isnt that the one Marseilles flew during WW2?
Fri Mar 21, 2014 11:14 am
Enemy Ace wrote:Doesn't EADS have a few?
All Spanish Buchons with D-Bs bolted on the front, none currently airworthy AFAIK (all broken

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Fri Mar 21, 2014 11:26 am
Pat Carry wrote:Mike wrote:One in Niagara currently for sale with Ed Russell Group (which hasn't flown for about 5 years now) and one at Paine Field with Paul Allen. Both Bf 109Es built by Craig Charleston.
That's it!
Isnt that the one Marseilles flew during WW2?
Correct, WNr 3579, with 1.(J)/LG 2. An absolutely stunning aircraft, if only I had the money...!
Lynn
Fri Mar 21, 2014 11:37 am
Obviously the "Me" in "Me-109" is a reference to Messerschmitt, but what is the significance of the "Bf" in the alternative "Bf-109" designation - and is one more correct than the other?
I have assumed over the years that the "Me-109" designation was simply a possibly incorrect, English/American/Allied designation and that the "Bf-109" designation was for whatever reason the truly correct German designation, but I decided to stop assuming and actually ask the "experts" here...
Fri Mar 21, 2014 11:40 am
Pat Carry wrote:Mike wrote:One in Niagara currently for sale with Ed Russell Group (which hasn't flown for about 5 years now) and one at Paine Field with Paul Allen. Both Bf 109Es built by Craig Charleston.
That's it!
Isnt that the one Marseilles flew during WW2?
Yep, she was 'White 14' at the time, and is restored to the same scheme.
Here she is taxiing out for what I'm 99.9% sure was her last flight on July 25, 2010 from Tillsonburg back to Niagara South Airport. The prop was due to expire in a day or so.

Fri Mar 21, 2014 11:56 am
Rajay wrote:Obviously the "Me" in "Me-109" is a reference to Messerschmitt, but what is the significance of the "Bf" in the alternative "Bf-109" designation - and is one more correct than the other?
I have assumed over the years that the "Me-109" designation was simply a possibly incorrect, English/American/Allied designation and that the "Bf-109" designation was for whatever reason the truly correct German designation, but I decided to stop assuming and actually ask the "experts" here...
Bf is for Bayriche Flugzeug Werke - or Bavarian Aircraft Works. Originally associated with BMW (Bayriche Motoren Werke)
Willi Messerschmitt became head of the the company and renamed it Messerschmitt A.G..
Designs after the change would properly be "Me" rather than "Bf". Willi was also a shameless self-promoter, and Bf products were referred to in company literature and mainstream literature as Me's.
Officially it's a Bf109, but both were used interchangably
Fri Mar 21, 2014 1:07 pm
Not flying yet, but...
Midwest Aero has a very complete, original Bf-109G under restoration to fly (I believe it is owned by Bruce Winter, owner of the P-51 "Happy Jack's Go Buggy"). They already have a complete, overhauled DB605 and another spare.
MeierMotors has an original Bf-109E under restoration for Robs Lamplaugh (UK), an original Bf-109G nearing completion and a Buchon (to be converted to a Bf-109G-12) for the Air Fighter Academy (Germany), and a Bf-109G (a Buchon conversion) nearing completion for Jerry Yagen.
There is also a Bf-109E awaiting the completion of wings, I believe, which it too will be headed for the Air Fighter Academy - and will be a flyer as well.
Anyone know what became of the Bf-109E that was being restored for Jerry Yagen? I haven't heard/seen anything on that project for a long time.
Fri Mar 21, 2014 1:14 pm
Outside of the Flying Heritage Collection's Bf-109E being the only '109 currently active, the only Buchons currently active are the two based at Duxford.
Fri Mar 21, 2014 4:01 pm
John,
Isn't there one currently on display that is in the "que" to be restored...some sort of recovery. I believe it is another Friedkin Air Force plane....
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Fri Mar 21, 2014 5:40 pm
René Meyer from France is rebuilding a Bf 109G-14.
Fri Mar 21, 2014 7:57 pm
rcaf_100 wrote:One in Niagara currently for sale with Ed Russell Group (which hasn't flown for about 5 years now) and one at Paine Field with Paul Allen. Both Bf 109Es built by Craig Charleston.
Here she is taxiing out for what I'm 99.9% sure was her last flight on July 25, 2010 from Tillsonburg back to Niagara South Airport. The prop was due to expire in a day or so.
Isn't the engine required to be overhauled every 100 hours due to no documentation on the type?
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