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PostPosted: Fri Feb 20, 2009 3:38 am 
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These worn out Phantoms are being corralled at Duke Field. One showed up about 3 months ago, the rest showed up yesterday. Guess they are headed for scrap soon.

Aircraft 1: Missing Vertical Stab

According to Joe Baugher’s site: McDonnell Douglas F-4E-42-MC Phantom 69-0246 (c/n 3771) converted to F-4G. To AMARC as FP0847 May 1, 1992. To TFSI as QF-4G AF194 Jul 15, 1998. Expended Aug 14, 2002.

Last unit assigned the 37th FW 561st FS George AFB California, also previously with the 32nd TFS Soesterberg AB Netherlands.

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According to Joe Baugher’s site: McDonnell Douglas F-4E-60-MC Phantom 74-0652 (c/n 4803) to AMARC as FP0716 Jul 12, 1991. Converted to QF-4E AF245. During takeoff roll from Tyndall AFB, FL Feb 6, 2003 for a Systems Acceptance Evaluation Flight with a safety pilot on board, aircraft performed a veer to port instigated neither by ground controller nor safety pilot. Nose wheel collapsed, aircraft suffered severe damage and thought to be a write-off. Safety pilot unhurt.

Link to USAF AIB report: http://usaf.aib.law.af.mil/QF-4E_Tyndall_6Feb03.pdf

Last unit assigned the 37th FW 562nd FS George AFB California, also previously with the 23rd FS Spangdahlem AB Germany, and the 32nd TFS Soesterberg AB Netherlands.

Aircraft 3: Named “Carrie”

According to Joe Baugher’s site: McDonnell Douglas RF-4C-44-MC Phantom 69-0383 to AMARC as FP0659 3/16/1991.To Tyndall AFB as QRF-4C AF102, expended 10/23/1997. Write-off due to hard landing,

Last unit assigned the “Flag Ship” of 38th TRS, 26th TRW Zweibrucken AB Germany, also previously with the 67th TRW Bergstrom AFB Texas.

Aircraft 4:

McDonnell Douglas F-4C-22-MC Phantom possibly 64-0715 Retired in September 1987 from 199 th FIS, 154th FIG Hawaii ANG. Became BDR airframe at Eglin AFB, Florida, and thought to have been scrapped in the late 1990s.

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Wow, sad looking F-4s. I'll bet you are right that the scrap man's torch is near...

Thanks for the pictures.


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Here is my Locator entry for Duke Field...

ImageAerial Visuals - Location Dossier - Auxilliary Field #3 / Duke Field - C-130, C-123

I would be interested to know where at Duke these F-4s are located, even if only "temporary".

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the orange tailed 1's were probably slated to be drones for target practice. man!!! when uncle sam demils hardware they are thorough.

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Well, the QF designator and the paint scheme makes them target drones, with the first posts explanation of ground handling/hard landing as putting two of them down. Smithsonian Air & Space, Dec/Jan 09 has a good article on the venerable Phantom, ending with these QF birds and their final missions. The article ended with "We finally know, It takes four Raptors to shoot down a Phantom! This after one evaded a single Raptor's attack, then the flight of four each fired.....and that QF did NOT make it home!


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They are not using up the QF-4s as fast as they originally thought they would. The reason? The F-4s keep winning !! :D

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Coordinates for the 4 sad Phantoms at Duke Field are below. There are also some old munitions and Tank/Artillery Barrels in the lot also. I think they are cleaning up the surrounding Aux Fields and storing the relics there for future scraping.

30 38 54.47 N 86 31 48.58 W

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Phantoms are a fast, tough bird! Add modern counter measures and the fact that there is NOT a live pilot on board that has to stay within G limits, that has got to be exciting AND frustrating for the fighter jockeys when that 40 yr old bird out flies them!


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