Re: Whats left to restore to fly
Sat Jan 20, 2007 11:55 pm
At least 3 D-models (at least one of those a TF-51) going together at Chino right now.sabredriver wrote:How many of following types can be restored stil to fly still? Surely must be many we dont know about slowly been restored to fly?
P/F-51D
Sun Jan 21, 2007 3:37 pm
How 'bout some Vietnam era stuff. I'd love to see some C-123s
Sun Jan 21, 2007 5:20 pm
I think there are at least 3 potential panthers out there,
Aerocrafters
Forgetten Field had one
And there is the museum one that got auctioned
I'd also like to see Walter Soplata's Cutlass fly.
There are also some T2's out there. A couple of them should come online in the next year or so.
Ed Kaleta had some big chunks of A6, I wonder if they can be made airworthy. He also had a phantom.
There are also A4's out there just waiting to be restored.
John Gibson has a great big beautiful bunch of T28's just waiting to be restored.
There's got to be at least one P80 out there waiting to be restored.
Theres a lot more out there. The future is bright! Sorry about the rambling post. Thinking out loud. Hey, you just got to see what rattles around in my head, besides the Primary Thought, that is.
Aerocrafters
Forgetten Field had one
And there is the museum one that got auctioned
I'd also like to see Walter Soplata's Cutlass fly.
There are also some T2's out there. A couple of them should come online in the next year or so.
Ed Kaleta had some big chunks of A6, I wonder if they can be made airworthy. He also had a phantom.
There are also A4's out there just waiting to be restored.
John Gibson has a great big beautiful bunch of T28's just waiting to be restored.
There's got to be at least one P80 out there waiting to be restored.
Theres a lot more out there. The future is bright! Sorry about the rambling post. Thinking out loud. Hey, you just got to see what rattles around in my head, besides the Primary Thought, that is.
Tue Jan 23, 2007 6:21 pm
Hey everyone,
To add to the list I'll just think off the potential airplanes I know of in Canada. Nothing too exciting, but still significant.
At my museum, the Canadian Museum of Flight (Langley, BC), we have an:
1.)Anson Mk 5 (potentially restoreable to flying condition)
2.)Anson Mk 2 (unlikely to go further than a static display)
3.)Noordyn Norseman (most likely will be restored to flying condition)
4.)Ex-RCAF DH-60 Gypsy Moth (will be restored to flying condition)
5.)Fairchild PT-26 Cornell (will be restored to flying condition)
6.)Bristol Bolingbroke (potential airworthy restoration, but probably static due to costs)
7.)Beech C-45 Expeditor (currently static, airworthy possible with funding)
8.)Hawker Hurricane centre-section only (probably static, but airworthy possible with extensive funding)
9.)Westland Lysander (currently static, but airworthy possible with funding)
10.)Avro CF-100 Canuck (it is a complete airframe with engines, and all instrumentation original and complete. The engines were operational when we acquired it in 1987, but it has sat outside ever since and would need a lot of work)
11.)deHavilland Vampire (currently static, but given funding could be made flyable)
All the airplanes I have mentioned above have the potential to fly again, but because of our museum's current funding and space restrictions, we may never see them even worked on. All aircraft other than the Lysander, CF-100 Canuck, Beech Expeditor, and Vampire are located at our storage facility (barn).
Other planes of note that I can think of are:
1.)Supermarine Spitfire Mk 9 (being restored to flying condition at Comox, BC)
2.)deHavilland Mosquito (in storage in Toronto, ONT. I don't know what their intentions are with it, and I have no idea what condition it is in that may or may not allow it to be restored to flying condition)
And jeez, anything in the National Aviation Museum in Ottawa, ONT. could probably be made flyable. I know some of the airplanes in the museum were flown there when they were donated, but at the same time, some weren't. Which is which, I don't know.
Ok, so that's all I can think of at the moment.
Cheers,
David
To add to the list I'll just think off the potential airplanes I know of in Canada. Nothing too exciting, but still significant.
At my museum, the Canadian Museum of Flight (Langley, BC), we have an:
1.)Anson Mk 5 (potentially restoreable to flying condition)
2.)Anson Mk 2 (unlikely to go further than a static display)
3.)Noordyn Norseman (most likely will be restored to flying condition)
4.)Ex-RCAF DH-60 Gypsy Moth (will be restored to flying condition)
5.)Fairchild PT-26 Cornell (will be restored to flying condition)
6.)Bristol Bolingbroke (potential airworthy restoration, but probably static due to costs)
7.)Beech C-45 Expeditor (currently static, airworthy possible with funding)
8.)Hawker Hurricane centre-section only (probably static, but airworthy possible with extensive funding)
9.)Westland Lysander (currently static, but airworthy possible with funding)
10.)Avro CF-100 Canuck (it is a complete airframe with engines, and all instrumentation original and complete. The engines were operational when we acquired it in 1987, but it has sat outside ever since and would need a lot of work)
11.)deHavilland Vampire (currently static, but given funding could be made flyable)
All the airplanes I have mentioned above have the potential to fly again, but because of our museum's current funding and space restrictions, we may never see them even worked on. All aircraft other than the Lysander, CF-100 Canuck, Beech Expeditor, and Vampire are located at our storage facility (barn).
Other planes of note that I can think of are:
1.)Supermarine Spitfire Mk 9 (being restored to flying condition at Comox, BC)
2.)deHavilland Mosquito (in storage in Toronto, ONT. I don't know what their intentions are with it, and I have no idea what condition it is in that may or may not allow it to be restored to flying condition)
And jeez, anything in the National Aviation Museum in Ottawa, ONT. could probably be made flyable. I know some of the airplanes in the museum were flown there when they were donated, but at the same time, some weren't. Which is which, I don't know.
Ok, so that's all I can think of at the moment.
Cheers,
David
Tue Jan 23, 2007 9:31 pm
daveymac82c wrote:2.)deHavilland Mosquito (in storage in Toronto, ONT. I don't know what their intentions are with it, and I have no idea what condition it is in that may or may not allow it to be restored to flying condition)
Thats the first I've heard of a Mosquito in Toronto! As far as examples in Canada the only ones I was aware of were:
- HML being restored to fly in BC
- the ex spartan example being restored to taxi in Windsor, Ontario (with new build NZ fuselage)
- one static in the praries that is also ex Spartan but with serious deterioration issues
- and the static example at the Canada Aviation Museum
If you could elaborate on this example in Toronto I'd be quite interested in hearing about it!
Wed Jan 24, 2007 1:15 am
Hey Edward,
my mistake, for some reason I thought it was at an Aerospace Museum in Ontario somewhere. I should stop taking information from the "top" of my head and make sure I use real facts. What I actually meant is that there's a Mosquito that is located at the Calgary Aerospace Museum.
It is CF-HMS, a Mk 35 used by Spartan. Pictures can been seen on: http://www.mossie.org/RS700.htm
I'm not sure what their intentions are with the airplane, whether airworthy or static, but from what I know it's just waiting in storage. I am not aware of the condition of the airframe or if it would even be possible to use it in an airworthy restoration.
Cheers,
David
my mistake, for some reason I thought it was at an Aerospace Museum in Ontario somewhere. I should stop taking information from the "top" of my head and make sure I use real facts. What I actually meant is that there's a Mosquito that is located at the Calgary Aerospace Museum.
It is CF-HMS, a Mk 35 used by Spartan. Pictures can been seen on: http://www.mossie.org/RS700.htm
I'm not sure what their intentions are with the airplane, whether airworthy or static, but from what I know it's just waiting in storage. I am not aware of the condition of the airframe or if it would even be possible to use it in an airworthy restoration.
Cheers,
David
Wed Jan 24, 2007 1:32 am
daveymac82c wrote:I'm not sure what their intentions are with the airplane.....
They are planning to hang on to it, but don't really have the resources to restore it to static, let alone airworthy. They had a VERY serious offer from a UK-based collector a couple of years ago, with plans to put it back in the air, but their board decided to retain ownership.
Wed Jan 24, 2007 12:15 pm
It is quite a gem to hold onto, so I can totally understand why they'd reject the offer.
I guess their Mossie will just continue to be a plane that's "Still left to be restored to flying status"
I guess their Mossie will just continue to be a plane that's "Still left to be restored to flying status"
Wed Jan 24, 2007 12:26 pm
daveymac82c wrote:Hey everyone,
All the airplanes I have mentioned above have the potential to fly again, but because of our museum's current funding and space restrictions, we may never see them even worked on.
The hangar at CZBB would solve the space problems
Brian....
Wed Jan 24, 2007 6:09 pm
Hey Brian,
long time no chat!
I know, that building at CZBB would be perfect, but right now the "management" of the CMF is content with staying at Langley Airport. I agree with you completely that the CMF should move to Boundary Bay and I am doing everything I can think of to try and convince the powers that be, to let it happen.
I could write several pages on the pros and cons of moving there, but basically it can be sum it up with:
Langley would restrict the success of the CMF, while CZBB would help it grow. CZBB offers a big hangar, Langley does not, Boundary Bay would like a museum in the hangar and we have a museum in need of space.
I should start a new thread on this topic. I'd like to hear what kind of advice people on this message board have when dealing with politics at an aviation museum. Namely the problem of people doing what's best for themselves, instead of what's best for the museum.
Cheers,
David
P.S. Nice picture.
long time no chat!
I know, that building at CZBB would be perfect, but right now the "management" of the CMF is content with staying at Langley Airport. I agree with you completely that the CMF should move to Boundary Bay and I am doing everything I can think of to try and convince the powers that be, to let it happen.
I could write several pages on the pros and cons of moving there, but basically it can be sum it up with:
Langley would restrict the success of the CMF, while CZBB would help it grow. CZBB offers a big hangar, Langley does not, Boundary Bay would like a museum in the hangar and we have a museum in need of space.
I should start a new thread on this topic. I'd like to hear what kind of advice people on this message board have when dealing with politics at an aviation museum. Namely the problem of people doing what's best for themselves, instead of what's best for the museum.
Cheers,
David
P.S. Nice picture.