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August - Didn't the Yankee Air Force pass on one of the available B-24Js from the pacific (Morotai) in 1986 due to price, logistics and cost of shipping? Apparently they were scrapped in 1988.


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I don't think it is for lack of trying. The guys at Willow Run were looking for a B-24 15-20 years ago and any one of them would have sold his firstborn into slavery to get a restorable one. It was the main acquisition/restoration goal of the Yankee Air Force at that time, since that was what they built there. I felt, and still feel, that if it could have been done, they would have done it. I think they even seriously contemplated converting a PB4Y. Sadly, they were way too late to get one of the Indian AF ones which make up the core of intact Libs today. The type did not have the kind of postwar life that the B-17 did, either with the USAF or civil operators, so there is just not the pool of airframes out there.

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Would have? You're assuming that some of us wouldn't do that now for a worthy airframe.

There wasn't much talk of doing anything with the PB4Y. It was trucked in after spending a few months submirged in salt water, then taken apart with chainsaws to be shipped to Mich (not by us, by the donor). The words "restoration candidate" didn't belong anywhere near that airframe, although our static guys have done an amazing job on that bird. she's a real beauty in her new paint job.

If anyone in the SE Michigan area is looking for some warbird work, our static aircraft crews are clamoring for people. The birds in the air park are all lined up for TLC. If you can do fibreglass, paint, sheetmetal, bird-proofing, or broom pushing, there's a spot for you. The DC-6, F-86, UH-1 (wind damage), and F-84's are all scheduled for work.

My limited understanding of the B-24 aquisition era (I was 7 in 86. I was 2 when the museum was getting off the ground) is that it's always been a combination of budget and restoration candidates. There hasn't been a proper combination of the two to get a Liberator (specifically a Ford-built lib, but I don't think we're all that picky at this point) back home. If anyone's got a spare ten million lying around in the couch cushions, drop us a line.....

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Boy, we seem to come back to the FOF B24 about once every 4 months...

When I inquired at Fantasy of Flight several years ago, I was told the FOF B24 has not flown since FOF first opened, as one wing was hit by a catering truck when they were setting up for the grand opening of the facility.

Further, some "engine parts" from the B24 were used on the Sunderland so the flying boat could fly the Olympic Torch for the Atlanta Summer Olympics.

While "maintained as airworthy" it has been several years since that B24 has flown and it will require some work to fly once again.

Now, I really would love to see the sole flyable B26 Martin Marauder there fly once again. It too is "maintained as airworthy"...


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Howard Hughes maintained the Spruce Goose "as airworthy" til his death...

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Yes, Hughes maintained it, but would anyone have volunteered to try to fly it?

Sorry Gary, we are getting far afield from the LiL subject of this thread, aren't we?


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I have a friend, who is well known to the warbird crowd.We were shooting the breeze a few weeks ago and he dropped the following bomb."I used to work for Hughes helicopter division.When the Summa corp offed the Spruce Goose, we were given the opportunity to visit and tour the SpruceGoose in its original hanger before it was moved". "What?"says I, he says" yep ,we all piled into a bus,turned down a gravel road. There was a little guard shack with an old man in uniform that looked like he'd been there since 1947" He said that they had the opportunity to walk the whole plane inside and out.I asked him if it looked flyable and he said that it was immaculate and very flyable. Some guys have all the luck.

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ww2John wrote:
Sorry Gary, we are getting far afield from the LiL subject of this thread, aren't we?



Oh, that's okay. Y'all just keep talking amongst yourselves for a few more days. :wink:

I won't be able to download pictures until I get back to Midland in the next day or so. And even then, there won't be a B-24 update until a day or two after that. So hang in there, I'll be back to work soon. :?

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Retro - If you check in again, I would like to know your route of travel. I will meet up with you guys and take some pictures as you pass through...........if it is close enough.


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Whaaaaaaaaat?????? No more updates for a couple of days?!?!? That's it, I'm shutting down my laptop and taking a vacation until Gary returns. Without my Lil updates, I might as well.....

Seriously, looking forward to seeing some more progress.

Gary, quick question, if I come out to winter staff, will you still be doing work on Lil? If so I might come out a day early to at least help for a day. I could probably convince some of our other staff members to do the same. Heck, maybe we could convince everyone coming in for winter staff to help. You might have more people than you want!

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Well, since I've obviously not been of any use to the B-24A project for many days now, I thought I'd show y'all a couple of photos of people who are making progress for the cause.

Shorty DeWitt is a long time Squadron member who has been here for over a week and will be here for at least another one. He's great at doing the little time consuming things that just eat projects like this up. In this picture, he's just starting to remove the old wet vacuum pumps for me. I will install some dry pumps a little later.....
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Don Obrieter is our Squadron maintenance officer. He is usually helping me with finding drawings, ordering parts, and taking care of paperwork that I am horrible at doing. He's come down for a couple of days to help with the labor portion of this project as well. He's another good one to have around. I was teaching him a little bit about sheet metal work today, and he has fabricated some reinforcing plates for the back of the new pitot tubes that we're installing.......
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Well, sorry for the short update, but it's all I have for now. I'll have more for you very soon.

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OK Gary, you have had an extra 29 hour reprieve from having to post a new update........ I was actually off yesterday afternoon, after finishing my shift at 0700hrs... I was going through withdrawals..... no WIX, no "Lil" updates...... but I'm better now.... Alan

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Some photos taken Saturday but not posted until now due to the great WIX blackout and my own time issues.
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The tail gun position at present.
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Looking into the nose with the front glass off.
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Looking from the tail forward. Note how Shorty has rigged work lights to help all work inside. It is obvious how far Gary and his help have gone to remove the "guts" to get to the structure.
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Shorty DeWitt working on the engines of the B-24 while others tackle the sheet metal mods.
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Meanwhile, those of us who can't do much with sheetmetal get to strip paint off of a bunch of engine nacelle parts for the B-24. These are High Sky Wing members, left to right, Jim Moore, Blake Cowart and David Linebarger. Not seen is H.A. Tuck and others working to help out Gary and the gang.
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Bill Coombes, the High Sky Wing Maintenance Officer and also CAF General Staffer, is hard at work stripping paint.
We have also been raising funds to help Gary get the B-24 work done. I'll have a further report on that as soon as possible. Fly safe.
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I know it's been a little while since the last real update from me, so here you go. There has been quite a bit of activity due to the flurry of volunteers that have been showing up more often. The High Sky Wing, here in Midland, has been amazing with their show of support. They have taken the reins and have made excellent forward progress with some of the nastiest work this project needs. There have also been quite a few of the smaller, time consuming projects being worked on by other volunteers that have come in. Some days it actually looks like progress is being made. It truly is amazing what just a few helpers can do for a project like this.

Daniel Collier was able to come back in for a couple of days and help out with some of the more complicated sheet metal projects that I've started. After Don Obreiter fabricated the backing plates for the new pitot tubes, Daniel and I riveted them in place. I then installed the new tubes. They aren't exactly like the original "A" model tubes, but are pretty close to at least one of the styles we've seen pictures of.

Since Daniel was here, I had him take over the door project I was on so that I could focus on some other fabrication projects I had already started. One of which was the gun mount for the tunnel gun position. We recently obtained the ball socket that the gun slides into, so that was my first thing to install. Once I determined the center of the lexan, I was able to cut out the circle I needed. This was done with a cheap ol' gasket cutter. It took me forever it seemed, but made a nice, clean circle when I was done........
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Now that the hole is cut, I can put the ball socket in place......
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The next step was to make the framework that will support the ball socket and gun and tie it all into the outer frame for the lexan. And the first stage of this was to fabricate the steel circle that the ball socket will attach to. This was kind of fun, really. It's neat to be able to turn a flat piece of sheet metal into something not so flat. Those guys on American Chopper and similar shows make this look easy...because it is. At least with steel anyway. Steel has no 'memory'. When you move it, it stays put (more or less). But when you are working with aluminum, it tries to (in layman's terms) go back to where it started from. That's why it's so difficult to work with. So anyway, when you watch those motorcycle shows, keep in mind that those guys are good, but the ones that are building parts out of aluminum are reeeeeaaally good.

Here's how I made this ring. First, I took a flat sheet and bent it 90 degrees......
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Once it's bent, I just start shrinking. I used my manual, foot-activated shrinker for this project. Our fancy new pnuematic one just didn't have the oomphf needed to squeeze the steel........
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Check the fit...shrink some more...check the fit...shrink some more.........
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Due to the small size of the circle here, I was unable to do it in one piece. The shrinker eventually gets in it's own way.......
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That's no big deal. The way to solve it is to make two halves. Here is the first half......
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Same song, second verse........
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Now that I have two halves, it is time to trim them to fit. This is probably the most crucial part of this project, as the better fit you have, the better the weld will be. The better the weld is, the easier it is to hide it when you're done (without taking too much material off). The more your weld is hidden when done, the better your part will look. In this case, the goal was to make it look like one piece.......
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The next step was to weld the two pieces together and then polish up the welds.......
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And viola, we now have one ball socket holder-downer......
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Now to make the arms that reach out to the outer lexan frame. I got lucky and found some tubing already close to what I was going to have to fabricate, so I used them. There was still a considerable amount of work that had to be done to them, but it cut out the step of forming the tubes to start with.......
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Fast forwarding a little bit here.......After some tedious fitting, trimming, tacking into place, more fitting, some dirty words, a little bending, a touch more trimming, and final welding, here is the finished piece. I reckon if this whole Warbird thing doesn't pan out for me, I could get into the "overpriced, overdue deadline, Christmas tree stand business." :roll:
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And here is the whole assembly sitting in the airplane. I'm obviously not finished yet, but once I hit the "Submit" button for this post, I'm going back out there to start working on the hinges for this setup......
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Glad to see you've got some extra hands now! Nice work on the gun mount. Thanks for the updates :D

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That gun mount is incredible! I had a laugh at the Christmas tree mount comment though. Good to see you have plenty of helpers now.

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