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PostPosted: Tue May 14, 2024 3:06 pm 
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And hoping to woo the Australians, Canberra.

Sea Fury MKXXX doesn't tell you the finer details but you know it's an aircraft.

When I see a reference to an F43X-2-G3 I don't know if it's a patent medication, a government form or an aeroplane.


And I strongly suspect the Kiwis with Wellington (it worked, if so).
The Brits adding the role initials() after the name was an improvement.


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PostPosted: Tue May 14, 2024 4:59 pm 
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Probably not.
The Wellington's predecessor was the Wellesley and Arthur Wellesley's title as Duke of Wellington was taken from the Somerset town of the same name.


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PostPosted: Tue May 14, 2024 6:32 pm 
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Because the justification given is always the sole reason for something?


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PostPosted: Tue May 14, 2024 9:56 pm 
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dhfan wrote:
When I see a reference to an F43X-2-G3 I don't know if it's a patent medication, a government form or an aeroplane.


In modern life, I guess we are expected to have a memory and familiarity with alphanumeric designations:
MX-5, 3 Series, F-150 in vehicles , iPhone XXV, Dell5635 in electronics.



If you want aircraft designations to tell you a lot, I'd suggest the pre-1962 USN (and similar wartime IJN) designation system: Mission, builder, model and sub model.
Tells one more (perhaps more than you want to know) than a arbitrary name.

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PostPosted: Tue May 14, 2024 10:48 pm 
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ErrolC wrote:
Because the justification given is always the sole reason for something?


Yes, in this case. Confirmed by Putnam's Vickers Aircraft since 1908. Named after the town, perpetuated the name of the Duke and established the practice of using a 'W' for aircraft designed by Barnes Wallis.


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CHECK LIST OF AMERICAN AIRCRAFT IN BRITISH SERVICE
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      |   Makers'  | U.S. Service |  U.S. Service  |
  Maker  | No. and Name  |  Number  |   Name  |  British Name
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BELL    | P-400     | P-39D    | "Airacobra"  | "Airacobra I"
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BOEING  | B-299H     | B-17D    | "Flying Fortress" | "Fortress I"
      | B-299O     | B-17E    | "Flying Fortress" | "Fortress IIA"
      | B-299P     | B-17F    | "Flying Fortress" | "Fortress II"
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BREWSTER | 339E      | F2A-2    | "Buffalo II"  | "Buffalo I"
      | 439      | F2A-3    | "Buffalo III"  | "Buffalo II"
      | 340      | SB2A-2   | "Buccaneer"  | "Bermuda"
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CESSNA  | T50-T     | AT-8, AT-17  | "Bobcat"   | "Crane"
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CONSOLI-  | 28-4     | PBY-4    | "Catalina IV" | "Catalina I"
DATED   | 28-5     | PBY-5    | "Catalina V"  | "Catalina II"
      | 28-5A    | {OA-10    | -      | {"Catalina III"
      |        | {PBY-5A   | -      | {R.C.A.F. 'Cansos'
      | 29-3     | PB2Y-3    | "Coronado" | "Coronado I"
      | 32B, L.B.30A | B-24B    | "Liberator"  | "Liberator I"
      | 32C, L.B.30B | B-24C    | "Liberator"  | "Liberator II"
      | 32D, L.B.30B | B-24D    | "Liberator"  | "Liberator III"
      | 32E     | B-24E    | "Liberator"  | "Liberator IV"
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CURTISS  | Helldiver 77 | SBC-4     | -      | "Cleveland I"
      | -      | SB2C-1    | "Helldiver"  | "Helldiver I"
      | Seagull   | SO3C-1    | "Seagull"   | "Seamew I"
      | Hawk 75A-3 | P-36C     | -      | "Mohawk III"
      | Hawk 75A-4 | P-36E     | -      | "Mohawk IV"
      | Hawk 81A-1 | P-40A     | -      | "Tomahawk I"
      | Hawk 81A-2 | P-40B     | -      | "Tomahawk IIA
      | Hawk 81A-3 | P-40C     | -      | "Tomahawk IIB"
      | Hawk 87A-2 | P-40D     | -      | "Kittyhawk I"
      | Hawk 87A-3 | P-40E     | -      | "Kittyhawk I"
      | Hawk 87A-4 | P-40F     | "Warhawk"  | "Kittyhawk II"
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CURTISS-  | CW-20    | C-55     | "Commando" |
WRIGHT  |        |        |
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DOUGLAS  | DB-7 (second | -        | -      | "Boston II" and
      |   versions) |        |       | "Havoc I"
      | DB-7A    | {A-20A, A-20B | -      | "Havoc II"
      |        | {A-26     | -      |
      | DB-7B    | {A-20C    | "Havoc"   | "Boston III"
      |        | {BD-2     | -      |
      | DB-280   | B-18A     |       | "Digby"
      | DC-3    | C-47     | "Skytrain"   | "Dakota I"
      |        | {C-53     |       |
      | DC-3A    | {R4D-1    | "Skytrooper" | "Dakota II"
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FAIRCHILD | M-62     | PT-19A    | "Cornell"   | "Cornell"
      | M-62A    | PT-26    | "Cornell"   | "Cornell"
      | F-24W.41A  | C-61     | "Forwarder" | "Argus"
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GRUMMAN | G-21B     | {OA-9    | -       | "Goose"
      |         | {JRF-1, JRF-2, | -      |
      |         | {JRF-4    |       |
      | G-36A     | F4F-3    | "Wildcat I-IV" | "Martlet," I-IV.
      | G-36A     | F4F-4    | "Wildcat V"  | "Martlet V"
      |        | F4F-5    | "Wildcat VI"  | "Martlet VI"
      | G-44,     | J4F-1    | -      | "Gosling"
      | "Widgeon"   |       |       |

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      |   Makers'  | U.S. Service |  U.S. Service  |
  Maker  | No. and Name  |  Number  |   Name  |  British Name
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LOCKHEED | 322-61    | P-38D    | "Lightning"  | "Lightning"
      | 414-56-01  | A-29     | "Hudson"   | "Hudson III"
      | 414-08    | A-28    | "Hudson"   | "Hudson IV"
      | Vega 37   | B-34     | "Ventura"   | "Ventura"
      | 18      | C-56    | "Lodestar"   | "Lodestar"
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MARTIN   | 162     | PBM-3    | "Mariner III"  | "Mariner I"
      | 162     | PBM-4    | "Mariner IV"  | "Mariner II"
      | 167B4    | A-22     | -       | "Maryland"
      | 179     | {B-26B    | "Marauder"  | "Marauder I"
      |        | {B2M-1   |         |
      | 187     | A-30     | -       | "Baltimore I"
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NORTH   | NA-16-1E   | {AT-1, BC-1 | -        | "Harvard I"
AMERICAN |         | {SNJ-1   |         |
      | NA-16-3    | {AT-6A,BC-1A| "Texan"   | "Harvard II"
      |        | {SNJ-2, SNJ-3 |        |
      | NA-62B    | B-25B    | "Mitchell II" | "Mitchell I"
      | NA-64    | BT-14    | -       | "Yale"
      | NA-73    | P-51     | "Mustang"  | "Mustang I"
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NORTHROP | N-3PB    | -      | -       | (No name yet)
      | 8A-3P    | {A-17A    | -       | "Nomad"
      |        | {BT-1    |        |
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REPUBLIC  | "Thunderbolt" | P-47B    | "Thunderbolt" | "Thunderbolt I"
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STEARMAN | A75N-3    | {PT-13E   | -       | (No name yet)
      |        | {N2S-3   | -       |
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UNITED   | VS-310    | OS2U-3   | "Kingfisher III" | "Kingfisher I"
AIRCRAFT  | V-156 "Corsair" | SB2U-2,   | "Vindicator II" | "Chesapeake I"
(VOUGHT-  |        | SB2U-3   | "Vindicator III" | "Chesapeake II"
SIKORSKY)  |        |      |         |
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VULTEE   | Stinson SR-10 | AT-19   | "Reliant"    | "Reliant"
      | 48C      | P-66   | -        | "Vanguard I"
      | 72      | A-35    | "Vengeance"  | "Vengeance I"
      | Vultee-Stinson 74| L-1    | "Vigilant"   | "Vigilant I"

(Source: American Type Designations, Third, R.P. Publications 42/10 (Southport, Lancashire: Real Photographs Company, n.d.), 8-9.)

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   AEROPLANES OF THE U.S. ARMY AIR FORCES
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           |  U.S. |        |  U.S. |        |
   Maker's Name  | Service | U.S. Service |  Navy | British Name | Remarks
  and/or Number  | Number |  Name   | Version |       |
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                    ATTACK AEROPLANES
Curtiss Shrike  ... ...| A-12  |        |     |       | Obsolescent mono.
Northrop 8A-1  ... ...| A-17  |        |     |       | Fixed undercarriage
Northrop 8A-3P ... ...| A-17a  |        | BT-1  | Nomad   | Retracting underc.
Curtiss 76-D   ... ...| A-18  |        |     |       | Only few squadrons
Vultee V-11A   ... ...| YA-19  |        |     |       |
Douglas DB-7A  ... ...| A-20b  |        |     | Havoc I   | Boston II fighter
Douglas DB-7B  ... ...| A-20c  | Havoc ... ...| DB-2  | Boston III  | In production
Stearman 100  ... ...| XA-21  |        |     |       | Prototype only
Douglas   ... ... ...| A-24  | Dauntless  ...| SBD-3 |       |
Curtiss   ... ... ...| A-25  | Helldiver  ...| SB2C-1 | Helldiver  | Dive-Bomber
North American ... ...| A-27  |        |     |       |
Lockheed 414-08 ... ...| A-28  | Hudson ... ...|     | Hudson IV  | No turret
Lockheed 414-56-01 ...| A-29  | Hudson ... ...| P.B.O. | Hudson III  | No turret
Martin 187   ... ...| A-30  | Baltimore  ...|     | Baltimore  | In production
North American ... ...| A-36  | Invader ... ...|     | Mustang  | Dive Bomber version
Consolidated Vultee 72 ...| A-35  | Vengeance ...|     | Vengeance | Dive Bomber
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                    ADVANCED TRAINERS
North American NA-16-3 | AT-1  |        | SNJ-1  | Harvard I  | Modified BC-1a
North American  ... ...| AT-6  |        |     |       | Improved BC-1a
North American NA-16 ...| AT-6a  | Texan ... ...| SNJ-3  | Harvard II | 
Beechcraft 18D  ... ...| AT-7  | Navigator  ...| SNB-2  |       | Navigation Trainer
Cessna T-50T   ... ...| AT-8  | Bobcat  ... ...|     | Crane   | 
Curtiss 25-a    ... ...| AT-9  | Jeep  ... ...|     |       | 
Beechcraft    ... ...| AT-10  | Wichita ... ...|     |       | Advanced Trainer
Beechcraft 18   ... ...| AT-11  | Kansas ... ...| SNB-1 |       | Bomber Trainer
Republic 2-PA Guardsman | AT-12  |        |     |       | Advanced Trainer
Fairchild   ... ... ...| AT-13  | Yankee-Doodle |     |       | 
Fairchild   ... ... ...| AT-14  | Yankee-Doodle |     |       | 
Stearman A-75n  ... ...| AT-15  | Crewmaker ...|     |       | 
Cessna T-50T   ... ...| AT-17  | Bobcat ... ...|     | Crane   | 
Lockheed 414-56-01  ...| AT-18  |        |     |       | Mod. Hudson
Vultee-Stinson SR-10  ...| AT-19  | Reliant ... ...|     | Reliant  | 
Fairchild   ... ... ...| AT-21  |        |     |       | 
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                       BOMBERS
Martin 139    ... ...| B10  |         |     |       | Obsolescent
Martin 139    ... ...| B-10b |         |     |       | Obsolescent
Martin 139w   ... ...| B-12  |         |     |       | Obsolescent
Douglas DB-1   ... ...| B-14  |         |     |       | Prototype B-18
Boeing    ... ... ...| XB-15 | Flying Fortress ...|     |       | One only
Boeing 299H   ... ...| B-17d  | Flying Fortress ...|     | Fortress I  | Turbo-supercharger
Boeing 299O   ... ...| B-17e  | Flying Fortress ...|     | Fortress IIa | Many built
Boeing 299P   ... ...| B-17f  | Flying Fortress ...|     | Fortress II  | In production
Douglas DB-286  ... ...| B-18  | Bolo   ... ...|     | Digby    | Bomber DC-2
Douglas DB-286  ... ...| B-18a | Bolo   ... ...|     | Digby    | Obsolescent
Douglas B-19   ... ...| B-19  |         |     |       | One only
North American  ... ...| XB-21 |         |     |       | One only
Douglas DB-320  ... ...| B-23  | Dragon  ... ...|     |       | Thirty built
Consolidated 32B ... ...| B-24b  | Liberator ... ...| PB4Y-1 | Liberator I  | Also LB-30
Consolidated 32C ... ...| B-24c  | Liberator ... ...| PB4Y-1 | Liberator II  | Tricycle undercar.
Consolidated 32D ... ...| B-24d  | Liberator ... ...| PB4Y-2 | Liberator III  | In production
Consolidated 32E ... ...| B-24e  | Liberator ... ...| PBJ-1 | Liberator IV  | In production
North American NA-62b | B-25b  | Mitchell  ... ...| B2M-1 | Mitchell   | In production
Martin 179    ... ...| B-26b  | Marauder ... ...|     | Marauder  | In production
Martin    ... ... ...| XB-27  |         |     |       | Developed B-26
Boeing    ... ... ...| B-29  |         |     |       | Building
Consolidated   ... ...| B-32  |         |     |       | Building
Lockheed-Vega 37   ...| B-34  | Ventura ... ...| PV-1  | Ventura   | In production
Lockheed 49   ... ...| B-49  |         |     |       | Bomber Constellation
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             BASIC COMBAT TRAINERS (Advanced Fighting Trainer)
North American NA-16-1E| BC-1  |         | SNJ-1  | Harvard I  | Pden. complete
North American NA-13-3 | BC-1a  | Texan  ... ...| SNJ-2  | Harvard II | 
North American  ... ...| BC-2  |         |     |       | 
Vultee Valiant 51   ...| BC-3  |         |     |       | 
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                 BASIC TRAINERS (Intermediate Trainer)
Douglas    ... ... ...| BT 2b |         |     |       | Biplane
Douglas    ... ... ...| BT-2B1 |         |     |       | Biplane
Consolidated Y1BT-7  ...| BT-7  |         |     |       | Biplane
Republic   ... ... ...| BT-8  |         |     |       | 
North American NA-16-1 | BT-9  |         | NJ-1  |       | 
North American  ... ...| BT-9a |         |     |       | 
North American NA-57  | BT-9b |         | NJ-1  |       | 
North American  ... .. | BT-9c |         |     |       | 
North American  ... .. | YBT-10 |         |     |       | 
Aircraft Research   ...| BT-11 |         |     |       | 
Fleetwings 23   ... .. | BT-12 |         |     |       | 
Vultee Valiant 54   .. | BT-13a | Valiant  ... ...| SNV-1  |       | Also BT-15
North American NA-64  | BT-14 |         |     |       | Modified BT-9
Vultee Valiant 54 ... ...| BT-15 | Valiant  ... ...| SNV-2  |       | In production

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   Maker's Name  | Service | U.S. Service |  Navy | British Name | Remarks
  and/or Number  | Number |  Name   | Version |       |
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                    CARGO (Transport)
Bellanca  ... ... ...| C-27  |         |     |       | 
Bellanca  ... ... ...| C-27a  |         |     |       | 
Bellanca  ... ... ...| C-27c  |         |     |       | 
Fairchild  ... ... ...| XC-31  |         |     |       | 
Douglas DC-2  ... ...| C-33  |         | R2D-1  |       | 
Lockheed 10 Electra ...| C-35  |         | XR20-1 |       | 
Lockheed 10 Electra ...| C-37  |         |     |       | 
Douglas DC-3  ... ...| C-39  |         |     |       | 
Lockheed 12B  ... ...| C-40b  |         | JO-2 |       | 
Douglas  ... ... ...| C-41a  |         |     |       | 
Douglas  ... ... ...| C-42  |         |     |       | 
Beechcraft 17A ... ...| YC-43 |         |     |       | 
Beechcraft 17R ... ...| C-43  | Traveler ... ...| GB-1 |       | 
Beechcraft 18  ... ...| C-45a | Voyager ... ...| JRB-2 |       | 
Curtiss-Wright CW-20 ...| C-46  | Commando ...| R5C  |       | Pden. CW-20
Douglas DC-3  ... ...| C-47  | Skytrain ... ...| R4D-1 | Dakota I  | Troop transport
Douglas  ... ... ...| C-48  |         |     |       | 
Douglas  ... ... ...| C-49  |         |     |       | 
Douglas DC-3A  ... ...| C-53  | Skytrooper  ...| R4D-3 | Dakota II  | 
Douglas DC-4A  ... ...| C-54  | Skymaster  ...| R5D-1 |       | In production
Curtiss CW-20  ... ...| C-55  |         |     | St. Louis  | Prototype CW-20
Lockheed 18-08 Lodestar | C-56  | Lodestar ... ...| R5O  | Lodestar  | 
Lockheed 18-14 ... ...| C-57  |         |     |       | 
Lockheed 18-40 ... ...| C-58  |         |     |       | 
Lockheed 18-50 ... ...| C-59  |         |     |       | 
Lockheed 18-56 Lodestar | C-60  |         |     |       | 
Fairchild F.24 W.41a ...| C-61  | Forwarder   ...| G.K  | Argus    | In production
Noorduyn    ... ...| C-64a  |         |     |       | 
Lockheed  ... ... ...| C-69  | Constellation ...|     |       | 
Curtiss Caravan ... ...| C-76  | Caravan  ... ...|     |       | 
Cessna T50T  ... ...| C-87  | Bobcat   ... ...|     | Crane   | 
Consolidated 32   ...| C-87  | Liberator Express |     |       | Liberator mod.
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                    PHOTOGRAPHIC
Beechcraft 18  ... ...| F-2  |         |     |       | 
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                   FIGHTER (Multi-seat)
Bell Airacuda  ... ...| FM-1a |         |     |       | Thirteen built
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                    GYROPLANE
Kellet KD-1a  ... ...| YG-1a |         |     |       | 
Kellet KD-1b  ... ...| YG-1b |         |     |       | 
Pitcairn Pa-33 ... ...| YG-2  |         | XOP-2 |       | 
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                 OBSERVATION (Army Co-op.)
Thomas-Morse ... ...| O-19e |         |     |       | 
Douglas  ... ... ...| O-38b |         |     |       | 
Douglas  ... ... ...| O-38f |         |     |       | 
Curtiss Raven ... ...| YO-40b |         |     |       | 
Douglas  ... ... ...| O-43a |         |     |       | 
Douglas  ... ... ...| O-46a |         |     |       | 
North American NA-25 ...| O-47a |         |     |       | 
North American NA-25 ...| O-47b |         |     |       | 
Vultee-Stinson 74  ...| L-1  | Vigilant  ... ...|     |       | 
Bellanca  ... ... ...| YO-50 |         |     |       | 
Ryan   ... ... ...| YO-51 | Dragonfly   ...|     |       | 
Curtiss Owl  ... ...| O-52  | Owl   ... ...|     |       | 
Vultee-Stinson 76 ...| L-5  | Sentinel  ... ...|     |       | 
Taylorcraft Trainer ...| O-57a |         |     |       | 
Taylorcraft... ... ...| L-2  | Grasshopper ...|     |       | 
Aeronca Defender ...| L-3c  | Grasshopper ...|     |       | 
Piper Trainer ... ...| L-4b  | Grasshopper ...|     |       | 
Interstate ... ... ...| L-6  |         |     |       | 
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                 OBSERVATION (Amphibian)
Douglas  ... ... ...| OA-4c |         |     |       | 
Sikorsky VS-43 ... ...| OA-8 |         | JRS-1 |       | 
Grumman G-21b  ...| OA-9 |         | JRF-2 | Goose   | 
Consolidated 28  ...| OA-10 | Catalina ... ...| PBY-5 | Catalina III | Amphibian
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                PURSUIT (Single-seat Fighter)
Boeing 281... ... ...| P-26 |         |     |       | Obsolete
Boeing 281A ... ...| P-26a |         |     |       | Obsolete
Boeing 281B ... ...| P-26b |         |     |       | Obsolete
Boeing  ... ... ...| P-29 |         |     |       | Prototype
Boeing  ... ... ...| P-29a |         |     |       | Prototype
Consolidated ... ...| P-30  |         |     |       | 
Republic EP-1 ... ...| P-35a |         |     |       | 
Curtiss Hawk 75A1 ...| P-36a |         |     |       | 
Curtiss Hawk 75A2 ...| P-36c |         |     |       | 
Curtiss Hawk 75A3 ...| P-36d |         |     | Mohawk III |
Curtiss Hawk 75A4 ...| P-36e |         |     | Mohawk IV |

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Curtiss Hawk  ... ...| YP-37 |         |     |       | One only
Lockheed 322-61, 422 ...| P-38d | Lightning ... ...|     | Lightning | In production
Bell P-400 ... ... ...| P-39d | Airacobra   ...|     | Airacobra | In production
Curtiss Hawk 81A  ...| P-40a |         |     | Tomahawk I | Many built
Curtiss Hawk 81A2  ...| P-40b |         |     | Tomahawk IIa | Many built
Curtiss Hawk 81A3  ...| P-40c |         |     | Tomahawk IIb | Many built
Curtiss Hawk 87A2  ...| P-40d |         |     | Kittyhawk I | Many built
Curtiss Hawk 87A3  ...| P-40e |         |     | Kittyhawk I | Many built
Curtiss Hawk 87A4  ...| P-40f | Warhawk ... ...|     | Kittyhawk II | In production
Republic  ... ... ...| XP-41 |         |     |       | One only
Curtiss Hawk 81 ... ...| XP-42 |         |     |       | One only
Republic Lancer ... ...| P-43a | Lancer ... ...|     |       | In production
Republic Warrior   ...| P-44 |         |     |       | One only
Curtiss   ... ... ...| P-46 |         |     |       | Developed P-40
Republic Thunderbolt ...| P-47b | Thunderbolt ...|     | Thunderbolt | In production
Vultee 48c Vanguard ...| P-48c |         |     |       | 
Grumman Skyrocket ...| XP-50 |         | XF5F-1 | Mustang  | Tricycle version
North American NA-73 ...| P-51 | Mustang ... .. |     |       | In production
Bell    ... ... ...| P-57 |         |     |       | Radial P-39
Curtiss   ... ... ...| P-60 |         |     |       | 
           | P-64 |         |     |       | Advanced Trainer
Vultee 48c   ... ...| P-66 | Vanguard ... ...|     |       | 
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                PURSUIT (Two-seat Fighter)
Consolidated   ... ...| PB-2 |         |     |       | 
Consolidated   ... ...| PB-2a |         |     |       | 
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              PRIMARY TRAINERS (Initial Trainer)
White    ... ... ...| PT-7 |         |     |       | 
Consolidated 21   ...| PT-11d |         |     |       | 
Stearman 75L3  ... ...| PT-13a |         | N2S-1 |       | Biplane
Stearman 75L3  ... ...| PT-13b | Kaydet ... ...| N2S-1 |       | Biplane
Waco F-7.VPF  ... ...| PT-14 |         |     |       | 
St. Louis  ... ... ...| PT-15 |         |     |       | 
Ryan    ... ... ...| PT-16 |         |     |       | 
Stearman A75L-3 ... ...| PT-17 | Kaydet  ... ...| N2S-3 |       | Biplane
Stearman A75J-1 ... ...| PT-18 |         |     |       | Biplane
Fairchild M-62  ... ...| PT-19a | Cornell ... ...|     |       | In production
Ryan S-T  ... ... ...| PT-20a |         |     |       | 
Ryan ST-3  ... ... ...| PT-21 |         |     |       | 
Ryan ST-3  ... ... ...| PT-22 | Recruit ... ...| NR-1  |       | 
St. Louis    ... ...| PT-123 |         |     |       | 
Ryan    ... ... ...| PT-25 |         |     |       | U.S. Army Air Corps
Fairchild M-62  ... ...| PT-23 | Cornell ... ...|     | Cornell  | In production
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Aeronca  ... ... ...| TG-5 |         |     |       | Trainer
Boeing   ... ... ...| CG-4 |         |     |       | Operational
Bowlus BM5   ... ...|    |         |     |       | Trainer
Piper    ... ... ...| TG-8 |         |     |       | Trainer
Pratt-Read LNE-1... ...|     |         |     |       | Experimental
Schweizer SGS2-8... ...| ATC-5 |         |     |       | Transport
Steinhauser Wolf ... ...|    |         |     |       | Experimental
Taylorcraft ... ... ...| TG-6 |         |     |       | Trainer
Waco    ... ... ...| CG-4 |         |     | Hadrian  | Operational
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             AEROPLANES OF THE U.S. NAVY
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Brewster 239  ... ...| F2A-1  | Buffalo I   ...|     |       | 
Brewster 339E ... ...| F2A-2  | Buffalo II   ...|     | Buffalo I  | 
Brewster 439  ... ...| F2A-3  | Buffalo III   ...|     | Buffalo II | Built for Belgium
Brewster ... ... ...|       | Corsair ... ...| F3A  |       | U.S. Navy
Curtiss Goshawk ... ...| XF12C-1 |         |     |       | Biplane
Grumman ... ... ...| FF-2   |         |     |       | Two-seat Biplane
Grumman ... ... ...| F2F-1  |         |     |       | 
Grumman G-37 ... ...| F3F-1  |         |     |       | Biplane
Grumman G-37 ... ...| F3F-2  |         |     |       | Biplane
Grumman G-37 ... ...| F3F-3  |         |     |       | Biplane
Grumman G-36 ... ...| F4F-1  |         |     |       | 
Grumman G-36 ... ...| F4F-2  |         |     |       | 
Grumman G-36A ... ...| F4F-3  | Wildcat I  ...|     | Martlet I   | 
Grumman G-36A ... ...| F4F-3  | Wildcat II  ...|     | Martlet II  | 
Grumman G-36A ... ...| F4F-3  | Wildcat III  ...|     | Martlet III  | 
Grumman G-36 ... ...| F4F-3  | Wildcat IV  ...|     | Martlet IV  | 
Grumman ... ... ...| F4F-4  | Wildcat V  ...|     | Martlet V   | Increased armament
Grumman ... ... ...| F4F-5  | Wildcat VI  ...|     | Martlet VI  | Increased armament
Grumman Skyrocket ...| XF5F-1 |         |     |       | Ordered for F.A.A.
Bell Airabonita ... ...| XFL-1  |         |     |       | Airacobra mod.
Vought-Sikorsky ... ...| XF4U-1 | Corsair ... ...|     |       | Cranked wing
Vought-Sikorsky ... ...| F4U-1  | Corsair ... ...|     |       | In Production

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  and/or Number  | Number |  Name   | Version |       |
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                    VB-BOMBERS
Douglas DB-7B ... ...| BD-2  | Havoc  ... ...| A-20c* | Boston III  | 
Great Lakes  ... ...| BG-1  |         |     |       | Dive Bomber
Great Lakes  ... ...| B2G-1  |         |     |       | Biplane
Martin 125   ... ...| BM-1  |         |     |       | Biplane
Martin 125 ... ... ...| BM-2  |         |     |       | Biplane
Martin 179   ... ...| B2M-1 | Marauder ... ...| B-26b* | Marauder  | 
Northrop 8A-3P ... ...| BT-1  |         | A-17a* | Nomad   | 
Northrop ... ... ...| BT-2  |         |     |        | 
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                 VPB-PATROL BOMBERS
Boeing  ... ... ...| XPBB-1 |         |     |       | 
Boeing  ... ... ...| PBB-1 | Sea Ranger  ...|     |       | Retracting floats
Glenn Martin 162  ...| PBM-1 | Mariner ... ...|     |       | Retracting floats
Glenn Martin 162  ...| PBM-2 | Mariner ... ...|     | Mariner   | Fixed floats
Glenn Martin 162  ...| PBM-3 | Mariner ... ...|     | Mariner   | Fixed floats
Glenn Martin 162  ...| PBM-4 |         |     |       | 
Glenn Martin 170  ...| XPB2M-1 | Mars  ... ...|     |       | One only
Vought-Sikorsky 44 ...| PBS-1 |         |     |       | 
Vought-Sikorsky ... ...| PBS-2 |         |     |       | 
Consolidated 28-1  ...| PBY-1 | Catalina ... ...|     |       | 
Consolidated 28-2  ...| PBY-2 | Catalina ... ...|     |       | 
Consolidated 28-3  ...| PBY-3 | Catalina ... ...|     |       | 
Consolidated 28-4  ...| PBY-4 | Catalina ... ...|     | Catalina  | 
Consolidated 28-5  ...| PBY-5 | Catalina ... ...|     | Catalina III | 
Consolidated 28-5A ...| PBY-5a |         | OA-10 | Cansos   | Amphibian Catalina
Consolidated 29   ...| XPB2Y-1 |        |     |       | Prototype
Consolidated 29-2  ...| PB2Y-2 | Coronado  ...|     | Coronado | 
Consolidated 29-3  ...| PB2Y-3 | Coronado  ...|     | Coronado | 
Lockheed ... ... ...|     | Ventura ... ...| PV-1  | Ventura  | Landplane
Northrop ... ... ...|     |         | N3PB |       | Floatplane
Consolidated ... ...|     |         | PB4X-1 |       | 
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               VR-TRANSPORTS (Multi-Engined)
Douglas Dolphin ... ...| RD-4 |         |     |       | Amphibian boat
Douglas DC-2  ... ...| R2D-1 |         | C-33  |       | 
Douglas DC-5  ... ...| R3D-1 |         |     |       | 
Douglas DC-5  ... ...| R3D-2 |         |     |       | Para. Troop Trnr.
Douglas DC-3a ... ...| R4D-1 | Dakota II ... ...| C-53  | Dakota   | Troop transport
Douglas DC-4a ... ...| R5D-1 | Skymaster ...  | C-54  |       | 
Lockheed 10 Electra ...| R20-1 |         | C-35  |       | 
Lockheed 10 Electra ...| R30-1 |         |     |       | 
Lockheed 14-41 ... ...| R40-1 |         |     |       | 
Lockheed 18 Lodestar ...| XR50-1 |         |     |       | 
Lockheed 18 Lodestar ...| R50-1 |         | C-56  |       | 
Ford Trimotor  ... ...| RR-1  |         |     |       | 
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                       VS-SCOUTS
Grumman ... ... ...| SF-1  |         |     |       | Two-seat biplane
Vought-Sikorsky ... ...| XS2U-1 |         |     |       | 
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                    VSB-SCOUT BOMBERS
Brewster 138  ... ...| SBA-1 |         |     |       | 
Brewster 340  ... ...| SB2A-1 | Buccaneer... ...| A-34  | Bermuda  | 
Curtiss 77 ... ... ...| SBC-3 |         |     |       | Early Helldiver
Curtiss 77 ... ... ...| SBC-4 |         |     | Cleveland | Biplane
Curtiss  ... ... ...| SB2C-1 | Helldiver ... ...| A-25  | Helldiver  | Dive bomber
Douglas  ... ... ...| SDB-1 | Dauntless ... ...| A-24  |       | Developed BT-2
Douglas  ... ... ...| SBD-2 | Dauntless ... ...| A-24  |       | Dive bomber
Douglas  ... ... ...| SBD-3 | Dauntless ... ...| A-24  |       | Dive bomber
Naval Aircraft Factory ...| SBN-1 |        |     |       | Based on SBA-1
Vought-Sikorsky ...... ...| SBU-1 |        |     |       | Prototype SBU-2
Vought-Sikorsky V-142 ...| SBU-2 |        |     |       | Corsair
Vought-Sikorsky V-156 ...| SB2U-1 |        |     |       | Prototype SB2U-2
Vought-Sikorsky V-156 ...| SB2U-2 |        |     | Chesapeake | 
Vought-Sikorsky V-156 ...| SB2U-3 | Vindicator ...| SB24  | Chesapeake | Also seaplane mod.
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                    VSN-SCOUT TRAINERS
Curtiss CW-22B Falcon ...| SNC-1 | Falcon ... ...|     |       | 
North American NA-16-3 | SNJ-1 |        | BC-1a  | Harvard I  | 
North American NA-16-4 | SNJ-2 |        | BC-1a  |       | 
North American ... ...| SNJ-3 | Texan ... ...| AT-6a  | Harvard II  | 
Vultee Valiant 54 ... ...| SNV-1 | Valiant ... ...| BT-15 |       | In production
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            VSO-SCOUT OBSERVATION AEROPLANES
Curtiss  ... ... ...| SOC-1 | Seagull ... ...|     |       | 
Curtiss  ... ... ...| SOC-2 | Seagull ... ...|     |       | 
Curtiss  ... ... ...| SOC-3 | Seagull ... ...|     |       | 
Curtiss  ... ... ...| SOC-4 | Seagull ... ...|     |       | 
Curtiss  ... ... ...| SOC-4 | Seagull ... .. |     |       | 
Curtiss  ... ... ...| XSO2C-1 |        |     |       | 
Curtiss  ... ... ...| SO3C-1 | Seagull ... ...|     |       | Seamew
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   Maker's Name  | Service | U.S. Service |  Army | British Name | Remarks
  and/or Number  | Number |  Name   | Version |       |
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            VSO-SCOUT OBSERVATION AEROPLANES-Continued
Curtiss ... ... ...| SO3C-1  | Seagull  ... ...|     | Seamew  | Land monoplane
Curtiss ... ... ...| SO3C-2  | Seagull  ... ...|     | Seamew  | 
Bellanca ... ... ...| XSOE-1 |         |     |       | Based on SOC-2
Naval Aircraft Factory ...| SON-1 |         |     |       | Floatplane
Vought-Sikorsky ... ...| XSO2U-1 | Kingfisher ...|     | Kingfisher  | Landplane
Vought-Sikorsky ... ...| XSO2U-1 | Kingfisher ...|     | Kingfisher  | 
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                 VG-TRANSPORTS (Single Motor)
Beechcraft D-17S ... ...| GB-1 | Traveler  ... ...| YC-43 |       | Biplane
Beechcraft 17  ... ...| GB-2 |         |     |       | Personnel
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                  VTB-TORPEDO BOMBERS
Douglas  ... ... ...| TBD-1 | Devastator  ...|     |       | First torpedo mono.
Grumman ... ... ...| XTBF-1 |         |     |       | 
Grumman ... ... ...| TBF-1 | Avenger   ...|     | Tarpon I  | 
Great Lakes  ... ...| XTBG-1 |        |     |       | Mod. Corsair
Vought-Sikorsky ... ...| XTBU-1 |        |     |       | 
Vultee 72 ... ... ...| TBV-1 |         | A-35  | Vengeance | Two torpedoes
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                VJ-UTILITY (General Purpose)
Beechcraft 17 ... ...| JB-1 |         |     |       | Biplane
Grumman ... ... ...| XJF-1 |         |     |       | Amphibian biplane
Grumman ... ... ...| JF-1 |         |     |       | Amphibian biplane
Grumman ... ... ...| JF-2 |         |     |       | 
Grumman ... ... ...| JF-3 |         |     |       | 
Grumman ... ... ...| J2F-1 |         |     |       | Amphibian biplane
Grumman ... ... ...| J2F-2 |         |     |       | 
Grumman ... ... ...| J2F-3 |         |     |       | 
Grumman ... ... ...| J2F-4 |         |     |       | Amphibian biplane
Grumman ... ... ...| XJ3F-1 |         |     |       | 
Grumman G-44 Widgeon | J4F-1 |         |     | Gosling   | Amphibian boat
Fairchild 45  ... ...| JK-1 |         |     |       | 
Fairchild 24  ... ...| J2K-1 |         |     |       | Landplane
Fairchild 24  ... ...| J2K-2 |         |     |       | 
Lockheed 12A ... ...| JO-1 |         |     |       | 
Lockheed 12B ... ...| JO-2 |         | C-40B  |       | 
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                 VJR-UTILITY TRANSPORT
Beechcraft 18b ... ...| JRB-1 |         | F-2   |       | Observation
Beechcraft 18d ... ...| JRB-2 | Voyager  ... ...| AT-7a |       | Personnel transport
Grumman G-21A ... ...| JRF-1 |         | OA-9  | Goose   | Amphibian (Navy)
Grumman G-21A ... ...| JRF-1a |         |     |       | 
Grumman G-21A ... ...| JRF-2 |         | OA-9  | Goose   | Amphibian
Grumman G-21B   ...| JRF-4 |         |     | Goose   | Photographic
Grumman ... ... ...| JRF-5 |         |     | Goose   | 
Grumman ... ... ...| JRF-6b |         |     | Goose   | 
Piper   ... ... ...|     |         | HE-1  |       | Ambulance
Sikorsky VS-43 ... ...| JRS-1 |         | OA-8  |       | Amphibian
Sikorsky VS-44A ... ...| JR2S-1 | Excalibur ... ...|     |       | 
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              ZMC-EXPERIMENTAL METAL-CLAD AIRSHIP
Metal-clad   ... ... ...| ZMC-2 |        |     |  Capacity | 202,000 cu. ft.
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                    VN-TRAINERS
North American NA-16-1 | NJ-1 |        | BT-9   |       | Fixed undercarriage
North American NA-57 ...| NJ-1 |        | BT-9b  |       | 
Naval Aircraft Factory ...| N3N-1 |        |     |       | 
Naval Aircraft Factory ...| N3N-2 |        |     |       | Biplane
Naval Aircraft Factory ...| N3N-3 |        |     |       | Floatplane
Naval Aircraft Factory ...| XN5N-1 |        |     |       | 
Spartan   ... ... ...| NP-1 |         |     |       | Biplane
Ryan ST-3  ... ... ...| NR-1 | Recruit ... ...| PT22  |       | Monoplane
Ryan ST-3    ... ...| NR-2 |         |     |       | 
Stearman A73B-1   ...| NS-1 | Caydet ... ...| PT-13a |       | Boeing-Stearman
Stearman A75N-1 ... ...| N2S-1 | Caydet ... ...| PT-17 |       | Biplane
Stearman 75L-3 ... ...| N2S-2 |         | PT-13b |       | Biplane
Stearnan A75N-3 ... ...| N2S-3 | Crewmaker ...|     |       | Biplane
Timm PT-160K  ... ...| N2T-1 | Tutor ... ...|     |       | Plastic construction
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                 VO-OBSERVATION AEROPLANES
Douglas   ... ... ...| XO2D-1 |         |     |       | 
Viking   ... ... ...| OO-1 |         |     |       | Biplane boat
Pitcairn Pa-33  ... ...| XOP-2 |         | YG-2  |       | Gyroplane
Vought-Sikorsky ... ...| O3U-3 |         |     |       | Float amphibian
Vought-Sikorsky ... ...| O3U-6 |         |     |       | Float amphibian
Kellett   ... ... ...| KD-1A |         |     |       | Autogiro
Sikorsky VS300  ... ...|    |         |     |       | Helicopter

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   Maker's Name  | Service | U.S. Service |  Army | British Name | Remarks
  and/or Number  | Number |  Name   | Version |       |
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                  VOS-OBSERVATION SCOUTS
Naval Aircraft Factory ...| XOSN-1 |         |     |       | 
Stearman  ... ... ...| XOSS-1 |         |     |       | 
Vought-Sikorsky ... ...| OS2U-1 |         |     |       | Floatplane
Vought-Sikorsky ... ...| OS2U-1 |         |     |       | Landplane
Vought-Sikorsky ... ...| OS2U-2 |         |     |       | 
Vought-Sikorsky ... ...| OS2U-3 | Kingfisher ... ...|     | Kingfisher I | 
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                     VP-PATROL
Gen.Aviation (Fokker) F.15| PJ-1 |          |     |       | Monoplane boat
Glenn Martin 120  ...| P3M-1 |          |     |       | Monoplane boat
Consolidated  ... ...| P2Y-2 |          |     |       | Training chiefly
Consolidated  ... ...| P2Y-3 |          |     |       | 
Consolidated  ... ...| XP3Y-1 |          |     |       | 
Consolidated 31 ... ...| P4Y-1 |          |     |       | To be produced
Lockheed-Vega V-146 ...| PV-1 | Ventura  ... ...|     |       | In production

(Source: American Type Designations, Third, R.P. Publications 42/10 (Southport, Lancashire: Real Photographs Company, n.d.), 10-15.)

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Army Aviation wrote:
       REDESIGNATION OF AIRCRAFT

 We have a new AR which should be of      DISADVANTAGES? Yes, there is one which
interest to all AA's. This new AR 700-        the troops will have, but this will not be a
26, dated 18 Sept 1962, titled "Desig-       problem with our modern Army. We are
nation, Redesignation, and Naming Mili-      used to changes; therefore, with this
tary Aircraft," supercedes AR 705-42.       system we will have to discipline our-
The AR also implements DOD Directive       selves to learn and use our new aircraft
4506.6, dated 6 July 1962.            designators. It's the same discipline you
                        had to use when your maintenance officer
HERE is what the AR does: it prescribes       made Major, you didn't call him Captain
a standard designation system for all air-      anymore, so use the same approach with
craft and applies to all services, Army,       your Beaver, call it a U-6A.
Air Force, Navy, etc. It further reidenti-     
fies all aircraft which are in the inventory.     TYPICAL EXAMPLES
Hold it! Don't get panicky! This reidenti-     
fication is not as bad as you might think;      IF YOU'VE READ AR 700-26, you'll find
it has many advantages. Now all of the       out the system works like this. Let's use
services will call an aircraft by a common     the H-34C and the L-23D as examples:
designator.
                         C - Modified Mission symbol (in this
YOU KNOW that everyone always had a      case, "Cargo").
problem in keeping these model indenti-       H - Basic Mission and Type symbol
fications straight, but now there'll only      (in this case, "Helicopter").
be one name for each type series and        34 - Design Number.
model. This system will also permit the        C - Series symbol.
interchange of maintenance data and prob-     
lem areas with our sister services with-        R - Modified Mission symbol (in this
out the barrier of different designators.      case, "Reconnaissance').
                         U - Basic Mission and Type symbol
------------------------------------------------------    (in this case, "Utility").
| This article was prepared to intro-  |      8 - Design Number.
| duce AR 700-26, dated 18 Septem-  |      D - Series symbol.
| ber 1962. Use of the new designators |     
| will be used for all purposes, except |     THE ACTUAL ASSIGNMENT of the desig-
| where TWX AMC PM-AI10-1101    |     nation will be made at time of purchase of
| 17 October 1962 delays implemen-  |     the aircraft, so in the field all you have
| tation of the AR until 15 January   |     to worry about is learning that designation.
| 1963 for FAA administrative pro-   |     To help you to learn the new designators
| cedures necessary to orient air    |     we have a chart to cross reference the
| traffic control centers.       |     old into the new. This system does not
------------------------------------------------------     preclude you from using the "Popular
                         Names" of aircraft, in fact it is encouraged.

Army Aviation wrote:
WHAT ABOUT PUBLICATIONS? In com-
pliance with paragraph 4 of AR 700-26,
DA publications will not be changed to
implement this new system on a crash
basis, but will be changed at time of re-
visions for other causes. So sit tight with
your old pubs and utilize the cross ref-
erence tables in the AR.

OLD      POPULAR      NEW
DESIG.     NAME       DESIG.

       HELICOPTERS

H-21B ............Shawnee............ CH-21B
H-21C ............Shawnee............ CH-21C
H-34A ............Choctaw............ CH-34A
H-34C ............Choctaw............ CH-34C
H-37A .............Mojave............. CH-37A
H-37B .............Mojave............. CH-37B
HC-1A ............Chinook............ CH-46C
HC-1B ............Chinook............ CH-47A
HO-4 ..........Not Assigned.......... OH-4A
HO-5 ..........Not Assigned.......... OH-5A
HO-6 ..........Not Assigned.......... OH-6A
H-13E ..............Sioux.............. OH-13E
H-13G ..............Sioux.............. OH-13G
H-13H ..............Sioux.............. OH-13H
H-13K ..............Sioux.............. OH-13K
H-23B ..............Raven............. OH-23B
H-23C ..............Raven............. OH-23C
H-23D ..............Raven............. OH-23D
H-23F ..............Raven............. OH-23F
YH-41 .........Not Assigned........ NH-41A
HU-1 ..............Iroquois.............. UH-1
HU-1A .............Iroquois............ UH-1A
HU-1B .............Iroquois............ UH-1B
HU-1D .............Iroquois............ UH-1D
H-19C ...........Chickasaw.......... UH-19C
H-19D ...........Chickasaw.......... UH-19D      L-26B ..........Not Assigned.......... U-9B
                         L-26C ..........Not Assigned.......... U-9C
       OBSERVATION            RL-26D ........Not Assigned........ RU-9C

L-19A .............Bird Dog............. O-1A            VTOL and STOL
TL-19D ...........Bird Dog........... TO-1D
L-19E .............Bird Dog............ O-1E       AO-1A ............Mohawk............. OV-1C
                         AO-1B ............Mohawk............. OV-1B
        UTILITY             AO-1C ............Mohawk............. OV-1C
                        AC-1 ..............Caribou............. CV-2A
U-1A .................Otter................ U-1A     AC-1A ............Caribou............. CV-2B
L-20A ..............Beaver.............. U-6A      AC-2 ..............Caribou............. CV-7A
L-23D .............Seminole............. U-8D     XV-3A ...........Not Assigned.......... None
RL-23D ...........Seminole........... RU-8D
L-23F .............Seminole............. U-8F

(Source: "Redesignation of Aircraft," Army Aviation, December 1962, 694-695.)

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Wichita Eagle wrote:
Defense Department Will Change Designations of Military Aircraft

 Within two to three weeks
Wichita airframe manufactur-
ers, McConnell Air Force Base,
vendors and suppliers of mili-
tary products will have to learn
a new list of military aircraft
designations.
 In a far-reaching change di-
rected by Secretary of Defense
Robert S. McNamara, the De-
partment of Defense has issued
identical orders to the Army,
Navy and Air Force which will
bring about similar letter and
number designations for all
military aircraft. Army, Navy
fixed and rotary wing aircraft
will be most affected by the
change while most of the Air
Force designation will continue.
 While immediate effect of the
change will not be great, even-
tual costs of the redesignation
will be somewhat staggering as
it will require rewriting or reg-
ulations, manuals, technical or-
ders and other publications.
 The Defense Department said
complete revision of Army,
Navy and Air Force documents
will be delayed until it is nec-
essary to revise a publication,
drawing or other document for
some other reason. Essential
changes will be made on the
documents in pen and ink.
 Immediate plans call for pro-
vision of new cover pages for
all technical publications and
manuals.
 The change also will mean
that manufacturers such as
Beech Aircraft Corp., Cessna
Aircraft Co. and The Boeing
Co. - each providing military
aircraft - will have to become
familiar with the new designa-
tion system. All parts cata-
logues, technical and flight
manuals, drawings and other
documents associated with mil-
itary aircraft issued by all aer-
ospace military contractors
henceforth will cary the new
aircraft designations.
    Local Changes
 At least one or two aircraft
manufactured locally by the
three manufacturers will be af-
fected by the change of desig-
nation.
 Included in the changes is a
slight modification in model
designation of the Boeing B47,
the Army version of Cessna's
helicopter plus complete change
of designation for the com-
pany's L19. For Beech the
change will affect designation
of the L23E and the L23F plus
some changes in designation for
the military version of the
Beechcraft Model 18.
 As soon as military installa-
tions and aerospace contractors
receive Air Force Regulation
No. 66-11, Army Regulation No.
700-26 and Bureau of Weapons
Instruction 13100.7 the redesig-
nations are to be implemented.
 In the list of manufacturers
and their redesignations one
company was added to the list
while two others exchanged
code symbols. Bell Aerosystems
Co. was added with the code
designation of BC while Pia-
secki Aircraft Corp. was made
PI and Piper Aircraft Corp.
will use PA.
 Popular names will be as-
signed only to aircraft which
have gone into production or
have immediate prospects of
doing so. Names will be one
word and will fit characteristics
of the aircraft.
 For instance, the name of
the O1E-new designation for
Cessna's L19E, probably will
be changed from "Bird Dog"
while the name of the B52H
probably will continue to be
the "Stratofortress."
   Assignments Made
 Administration of the regula-
tion has been assigned to the
Air Force Aeronautical Systems
Division at Wright-Patterson
AFB, Ohio. A single point of
contact for administration of
designation assignments within
each service has been estab-
lished.
 The various Air Force com-
mands will receive instructions
from Wright-Patterson ASD,
the Navy redesignation contact
will be the Bureau of Weapons
and for the Army it will be the
Army Materiel Command.
 McConnell AFB is expected
to receive redesignation instruc-
tions through Strategic Air
Command channels and local
contractors and suppliers will
receive instructions through
ASD plant representatives at
Boeing, Beech and Cessna.
  Coding Explained
 First letter in the prefix
symbol would indicate if the
aircraft was used for experi-
mental, service test or some
other special purpose. Letters
designated for this include: G-
permanently grounded; J -
special test, temporary; N -
special test, permanent; X-ex-
perimental; Y-prototype; Z-
planning.
 Next letter in the designation
could be a modified mission
symbol and would indicate the
capability of the aircraft after
it had been modified. They are:
A-attack; C-cargo transport;
D-director; E-special elec-
tronic installation; H-search
and resuce; K-tanker; L-cold
weather; M-missile carrier;
Q-drone; R-reconnaissance;
S-anti-submarine; T-trainer;
U-utility; V-staff; and W-
weather.
 Last letter in the prefix
symbol will indicate the primary
capability of the craft. In the
case of helicopters, vertical and
short take-off and landing
(V&STOL) craft a second let-
ter will be used to indicate
type. Basic mission symbol let-
ter will include: A-attack; B-
bomber; C-cargo transport;
E-special electronic installa-
tion; F-fighter; H-helicopter;
K - tanker; O - observation;
P-patrol; S-anti-submarine;
T-trainer; U-utility; V-VT-
ol or STOL; X-research;
Z-airship
 Previous designations, new
aircraft designations and serv-
ices using each of the aircraft
include:

  Aircraft Designations
   BOMBER SERIES
Former  Current  Service
VB-26B  VB-26B   AF
B-26B   B-26B   AF
TB-26B  TB-26B   AF
B-26C   B-26C   AF
GB-26C  B-26C   AF
RB-26C  RB-26C   AF
TB-26C  TB-26C   AF
JD-1   UB-26J   USN
JD-1D   DB-26J   USN
TB-29A  TB-29A   AF
B-45C   B-45C   AF
RB-45C  RB-45C   AF
B-47B   B-47B   AF
DB-47B  DB-47B   AF
TB-47B  TB-47B   AF
WB-47B  WB-47B   AF
B-47E   B-47E   AF
E-47E   EB-47E   AF
RB-47E  RB-47E   AF
R-47E   RB-47E   AF
ER-47H  EB-47H   AF
RB-47H  RB-47H   AF
R-47H   RB-47H   AF
RB-47K  RB-47K   AF
R-47K   RB-47K   AF
TB-50D  TB-50D   AF
WB-50D  WB-50D   AF
RB-50F  RB-50F   AF
KB-50J  KB-50J   AF
KB-50K  KB-50K   AF
B-52A   B-52A   AF
B-52B   B-52B   AF
B-52C   B-52C   AF
B-52D   B-52D   AF
B-52E   B-52E   AF
B-52F   B-52F   AF
B-52G   B-52G   AF
B-52H   B-52H   AF
B-57A   B-57A   AF
RB-57A  RB-57A   AF
B-57B   B-57B   AF
RB-57B  RB-57B   AF
B-57C   B-57C   AF
TB-57C  TB-57C   AF
RB-57D  RB-57D   AF
B-57E   B-57E   AF
RB-57E  RB-57E   AF
TB-57E  TB-57E   AF
B-58A   B-58A   AF
YRB-58A  YRB-58A  AF
TB-58A  TB-58A   AF
RB-66A  RB-66A   AF
RB-66B  RB-66B   AF
RB-66C  RB-66C   AF
B-66D   B-66D   AF
WB-66D  WB-66D   AF
B-66E   B-66E   AF
XB-70   XB-70A   AF
 (Future New Bomber Aircraft will be
designated starting at Design No. 1A.)
   HELICOTPER SERIES
Former  Current  Service
HU-1   UH-1   USA
UH-1A   UH-1A   USA
HU-1B   UH-1B   USA
HU-1D   UH-1D   USA
HU-1E   UH-1E   USA
HU2K-1  UH-2A   USN
HU2K-1U  UH-2B   USN
Y/HSS-2  YSH-3A   USN
HSS-2   SH-3A   USN
HSS-2Z  VH-3A   USN
HO-4   OH-4A   USA
HO-5   OH-5A   USA
HO-6   OH-6A   USA
H-13E   OH-13E   USA
H-13G   OH-13G   USA
H-13H   OH-13H   USA
H-13H   UH-13H   AF
H-13J   UH-13J   AF
H-13K   OH-13K   USA
HTL-4   TH-13L   USN
HTL-6   TH-13M   USN
HTL-7   TH-13N   USN
HUL-1   UH-13P   USN
HUL-1G  HH-13Q   USN
HUL-1M  UH-13R   USN
H-19B   UH-19B   AF
SH-19B   HH-19B   AF
H-19C   UH-19C   USA
H-19D   UH-19D   USA
HRS-3   CH-19E   USN
HO4S-3  UH-19F   USN
HO4S-3G  HH-19G   USN
H-21A   CH-21A   AF
H-21B   CH-21B   AF
H-21B   CH-21B   USA
SH-21B  HH-21E   AF
H-21C   CH-21C   USA
H-23B   OH-23B   USA
H-23C   OH-12C   USA
H-23D   OH-23D   USA
H-23F   OH-23F   USA
HUP-2   UH-25B   USN
HUP-3   UH-25C   USN
XH-33A  XH-33A   AF
H-34A   CH-34A   USA
H-34C   CH-34C   USA
HYS-1L  LH-34D   USN
Y/HSS-1  YSH-34G   USN
HUS-1   UH-34D   USN
HUS-1Z  VH-34D   USN
HUS-1A  UH-34E   USN
HUS-1G  HH-34F   USN
HSS-1F  SH-34H   USN
Y/HSS-1N YS-34J   USN
HSS-1N  SH-34J   USN
H-37A   CH-37A   USA
H-37B   CH-37B   USA
HR2S-1  CH-37C   USN
XH-40A  XH-40A   AF
YH-41   NH-41A   USA
H-41   UH-41A   AF
H-43A   HH-43A   AF
H-43B   HH-43B   AF
HUK-1   UH-43C   USN
HOK-1   OH-43D   USN
HRB-1   CH-46A   USN
HX/H-2  XCH-46B   AF
HC-1A   CH-46C   USA
HC-1B   CH-47A   USA
HX/H-1  XH-48A   AF
DSN-1   QH-50A   USN
DSN-2   QH-50B   USN
DSN-3   QH-50C   USN
NEW   XH-51A   USN
 (Future New Helicopter will be de-
signated starting at Design No.-52A.)
  RESEARCH SERIES
Former  Current  Service
X-13   X-13A    AF
X-15   X-15A    AF
X-20   X-20A    AF
X-21   X-21A    AF
 (Next Design No. is -22A.)
  AIRSHIP SERIES
Former  Current  Service
ZPG-2W  EZ-1B   USN
ZPG-2   SZ-1B   USN
ZPG-3W  EZ-1C   USN
 (Next Design No. is -2A.)
  TRAINER SERIES
Former  Current  Service
T2V-1   T-1A    USN
Y/T2J-1  YT-2A   USN
T2J-1   T-2B    USN
T2J-2   T-2B    USN
T-28A   T-28A   USN
T-28A   T-28A   AF
T-28B   T-28B   USN
T-28B   T-28B   AF
T-28BD  DT-28B   USN
T-28C   T-28C   USN
T-29A   T-29A   AF
VT-29A  VT-29A   AF
T-29B   T-29B   AF
VT-29B  VT-29B   AF
T-29C   T-29C   AF
VT-29C  VT-29C   AF
T-29D   T-29D   AF
VT-29D  VT-29D   AF
AT-29D  ET-29D   AF
T-33A   T-33A   AF
DT-33A  DT-33A   AF
RT-33A  RT-33A   AF
WT-33A  WT-33A   AF
TV-2   T-33B    USN
TV-2D   DT-33B   USN
TV-2KD  DT-33C   USN
T-34B   T-34B   USN
Y/T-34B  YT-34B   USN
T-34A   T-34A   AF
T-37A   T-37A   AF
T-37B   T-37B   AF
T-38A   T-38A   AF
YT-38A  YT-38A   AF
T-39A   T-39A   AF
T-39B   T-39B   AF
T3J-1   T-39D   AF
T-40A   T-40A   AF
 (Next New Trainer design will start
at No.-41A.)
  UTILITY SERIES
Former  Current  Service
U-1A   U-1A    USA
UC-1   U-1B    USN
U-2A   U-2A    AF
U-3A   U-3A    AF
U-3B   U-3B    AF
U-4A   U-4A    AF
U-4B   U-4B    AF
L-20A   U-6A    AF
L-20A   U-6A    USN
L-20A   U-6A    USA
L-21   U-7A    AF
L-23D   U-8D    USA
RL-23D  RU-8D    USA
L-23E   U-8E    USA
L-23F   U-8F    USA
L-26B   U-9B    USA
L-26C   U-9C    USA
RL-26D  RU-9D    USA
L-28A   U-10A   AF
UO-1   U-11A   USN
SA-16A  HU-16A   AF
SA-16B  HU-16B   AF
UF-1   HU-16C   USN
UF-1L   LU-16C   USA
UF-1T   TU-16C   USN
UF-2   HU-16D   USN
UF-2G   HU-16E   USN
 (Utility series will continue with
Design No.17A.)
  VTOL & STOL SERIES
Former  Current  Service
AO-1A   OV-1A   USA
AO-1B   OV-1B   USA
AO-1C   OV-1C   USA
AC-1   CV-2A    USA
AC-1A   CV-2B   USA
NONE   XV-3A   USA
VZ-10   XV-4A   USA
VZ-11   XV-5A   USA
VZ-12   XV-6A   USA
AC-2   CV-7A    USA
 (The next -V- Design No. will begin
at 8A.)
  OBSERVATION SERIES
Former  Current  Service
L-19A   O-1A    USA
OE-1   O-1B    USN
OE-2   O-1C    USN
TL-19D  TO-1D    USA
L-19E   O-1E    USA
 (Future New Observation Aircraft
will be designated starting at Design
No.-2A.)
CARGO/TRANSPORT SERIES
Former  Current  Service
C-45G   C-45G   AF
C-45H   C-45H   AF
RC-45H  RC-45H   AF
TC-45H  TC-45H   AF
SNB-5P  RC-45J   USN
SNB-5   TC-45J   USN
C-46A   C-46A   AF
C-46D   C-46D   AF
TC-46D  TC-46D   AF
C-47A   C-47A   AF
R4D-5   C-47H   USN
R4D-5Q  EC-47H   USN
SC-47A  HC-47A   AF
R4D-5L  LC-47H   USN
RC-47A  DC-47A   AF
R4D-5S  SC-47H   USN
R4D-5R  TC-47H   USN
VC-47A  VC-47A   AF
R4D-5Z  VC-47H   USN
R4D-6   C-47J   USN
R4D-6Q  EC-47J   USN
R4D-6L  LC-47J   USN
R4D-6S  SC-47J   USN
R4D-6R  TC-47J   USN
R4D-6Z  VC-47J   USN
VC-47B  VC-47B   AF
C-47D   C-47D   AF
AC-47D  EC-47D   AF
SC-47D  HC-47D   AF
RC-47D  RC-47D   AF
TC-47D  TC-47D   AF
VC-47D  VC-47D   AF
C-47E   C-47E   AF
R4D-7  TC-47K   USN
C-54A   C-54A   AF
R5D-1Z  VC-54N   USN
R5D-2   C-54P   USN
R5D-2Z  VC-54P   USN
C-54D   C-54D   AF
R5D-3   C-54Q   USN
AC-54D  EC-54D   AF
SC-54D  HC-54D   AF
TC-54D  TC-54D   AF
VC-54D  VC-54D   AF
R5D-3Z  VC-54Q   AF
R5D-3   RC-54V   USN
C-54E   C-54E   AF
R5D-4R  C-54R   USN
R5D-4   EC-54U   USN
C-54G   C-54G   AF
R5D-5   C-54S   USN
VC-54G  VC-54G   AF
R4D-5Z  VC-54S   USN
C-54M   C-54M   AD
R5D-5R  C-54T   USN
C-97A   C-97A   AF
C-97C   C-97C   AF
C-97D   C-97D   AF
VC-97D  VC-97D   AF
KC-97F  KC-97F   AF
KC-97G  KC-97G   AF
C-97J   C-97J    AF
C-117A  C-117A   AF
R4D-8   C-117D  USN
R4D-8L  LC-117D  USN
VC-117A  VC-117A  AF
R4D-8Z  VC-117D  USN
C-117B  C-117B   AF
VC-117B  VC-117B  AF
C-117C  C-117C   AF
C-118A  C-118A   AF
R6D-1   C-118B  USN
VC-118A  VC-118A  AF
MC-119  C-119J   AF
C-119C  C-119C   AF
R4Q-2   C-119F   USN
C-119G  C-119G   AF
C-119J   C-119J   AF
C-121A  C-121A   AF
C-121C  C-121C   AF
R7V-1   C-121J   AF
TC-121C  TC-121C  AF
WV-2   EC-121K   USN
Y/YV-2  YEC-121K  USN
RC-121D  RC-121D  AF
WV-3   WC-121N  USN
RC-121E  RC-121E  AF
VC-121E  VC-121E  AF
C-121G   C-121G  AF
EC-121H  EC-121H  AF
WV-2E   EC-121L  USN
WV-2Q   EC-121M  USN
C-123B  C-123B   AF
C-123H  C-123H   AF
C-124A  C-124A   AF
R4D-8T  TC-117D   USN
C-124C  C-124C   AF
C-130A  C-130A   AF
GC-130A  C-130A   AF
RC-130A  RC-130A  AF
C-130B  C-130B   AF
GV-1U   C-130D   AF
SC-130B  HC-130B  AF
SC-130B  HC-130G  USN
GV-1    KC-130F  USN
C-130BL  LC-130F  USN
C-130D  C-130F   AF
C-130E  C-130E   AF
SC-130E  HC-130E  AF
C-131A  C-131A   AF
VC-131A  VC-131A  AF
C-131B  C-131B   AF
C-131D  C-131D   AF
R4Y-1   C-131F   USN
C-131E  C-131E   AF
R4Y-2   C-131G   USN
C-133A  C-133A   AF
C-133B  C-133B   AF
RC-135A  RC-135A  AF
C-135A   C-135A   AF
KC-135A  KC-135A   AF
C-135B   C-135B   AF
VC-137A  VC-137A   AF
VC-137C  VC-137C   AF
C-140A   C-140A   AF
C-140B   C-140B   AF
VC-140B  VC-140B   AF
UV-1    C-140C   USN
C-141A   C-141A   AF
XC-142A  XC-142A   AF
 (Because of the size of design
numbers for Cargo Aircraft, this series
will start over at -1A. Following are
new assignments made under new
series of numbers:)
TF-1   C-1A    USN
TF-1Q  EC-1A    USN
NEW   C-2A    USN
 (Future New Cargo/Transport Air-
craft will be designated starting at
Design No. 3A.)
   FIGHTER SERIES
Former  Current  Service
F-80C   F-80C   AF
F-84F   F-84F   AF
RF-84F  RF-84F   AF
F-84G   F-84G   AF
F-86D   F-86D   AF
F-86F   F-86F   AF
F-86H   F-86H   AF
F-86L   F-86L   AF
F-89D   F-89D   AF
F-89H   F-89H   AF
F-89J   F-89J   AF
F-100A   F-100A   AF
F-100C   F-100C   AF
DF-100C  DF-100C   AF
F-100D   F-100D   AF
F-100F   F-100F   AF
DF-100F  DF-100F   AF
F-101A   F-101A   AF
YRF-101A  YRF-101A  AF
RF-101A  RF-101A   AF
F-101B   F-101B   AF
TF-101B  TF-101B   AF
F-101C   F-101C   AF
RF-101C  RF-101C   AF
F-101F   F-101F   AF
TF-101F  TF-101F   AF
F-102A   F-102A   AF
TF-102A  TF-102A   AF
YF-102C  YF-102C   AF
F-104A   F-104A   AF
CF-104A  CF-104A   AF
F-104B   F-104B   AF
F-104C   F-104C   AF
F-104D   F-104D   AF
F-104G   F-104G   AF
RF-104G  RF-104G   AF
TF-104G  TF-104G   AF
F-104J   F-104J   AF
TF-104J  TF-104J   AF
F-105B   F-105B   AF
F-105D   F-105D   AF
F-106A   F-106A   AF
F-106B   F-106B   AF
YF-106C  YF-106C   AF
TFX    F-111A   AF
TFX    F-111B   USN
 Because of the size of the design
numbers for fighter aircraft this series
will start over at -1A. Following are
new assignments made under new se-
ries of numbers:
Former  Current  Service
FJ-3    F-1C   USN
FJ-3D   DF-1C   USN
FJ-3M   MF-1C   USN
FJ3D2   DF-1D   USN
Y/FJ-4   YF-1E   USN
FJ-4    F-1E   USN
YFJ-4B  YAF-1E   USN
FJ-4B   AF-1E   USN
F2H-3   F-2C    USN
F2H-4   F-2D    USN
Y/F3H-2  YF-3B   USN
F3H-2   F-3B    USN
F3H-2M  MF-3B   USN
F3H-2N  F-3C    USN
F4H-1F  F-4A    USN
F4H-1   F-4B    USN
F4H-1P  RF-1B    USN
F-110A  F-4C    AF
RF-110A  RF-4C   AF
N-156   F-5A    AF
N-156   F-5B    AF
Y/F4D-1  YF-6A   USN
F4D-1   F-6A    USN
Y/F2Y-1  YF-7A   USN
Y/F8U-1  YF-8A   USN
F8U-1   F-8A    USN
F8U-1D  DF-8A    USN
F8U-1KD  QF-1A   USN
Y/F8U-1P YRF-8A   USN
F8U-1P  RF-8A    USN
F8U-1T  TF-8A    USN
F8U-1E  F-8B    USN
Y/F8U-2  YF-8C   USN
F8U-2   F-8C    USN
Y/F8U-2N YF-8D   USN
F8U-2N   F-8D   USN
Y/F8U-2NE YF-8E   USN
F8U-2NE  F-8E    USN
F9F-5KD  DF-9E   USN
F9F-6   F-9F    USN
F9F-6D  DF-9F    USN
F9F-6K  QF-9F    USN
F9F-6K2  QF-9G   USN
F9F-7   F-9H    USN
F9F-8   F-9J    USN
Y/F9F-8B YAF-9J   USN
F9F-8B  AF-9J    USN
Y/F9F-8T YTF-9J   USN
F9F-8T  TF-9J    USN
F9F-8P  RF-9J    USN
F3D-1   F-10A   USN
F3D-2   F-10B   USN
F3D-2Q  EF-10B   USN
F3D-2M  MF-10B   USN
F3D-2T2  TF-10B   USN
Y/F11F-1 YF-11A   USN
F-11F-1  F-11A   USN
Former  Current  Service
WF-2   E-1B    USN
W2F-1   E-2A    USN
 Future New Fighter Aircraft will be
designated starting at Design No. -12A.
SPECIAL ELECTRONIC INSTALLATION
SERIES

 Future New Special Electronic Instal-
lation Aircraft will be designated start-
ing at Design No. -3A.

(Source: "Defense Department Will Change Designations of Military Aircraft," Wichita Eagle, 1 October 1962, 1B.)

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 04, 2025 12:26 am 
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So, I was doing some thinking recently about the term "approved names" and why it was used. As noted in an edit to a previous post, a newspaper article dating to the implementation of names notes that "(i)n carrying out this plane-naming plan, the manufacturers' suggested names were given first consideration and, unless there was good reason, these suggestions were approved." But what were these exceptions? Why did they need to be approved? Presumably there were some that didn't make the cut. As covered in a previous post, there's a proposed list of names that weren't adopted. However, these came from a commander in the military itself - which is not the scenario described above. So then what were they? Although it is hard to say for certain, there are a few hints buried in the historical record that seem to offer evidence of these rejected names.

The most famous case is the P-51 "Apache". Other than noting its brief existence, there's not much to say here that hasn't been done to death already.

A few early works call the B-26 as the Martin "Martian", but these quickly disappear. (For example, no less than the 27 October 1942 edition of Victory, the "official weekly bulletin of the Office of War Information", refers to it as such. The article is then picked up by the 13 November 1942 edition of The Aeroplane magazine and is repeated on page 21 of the booklet War Planes of the World.) If the theory holds, it was swatted down by the Joint Aircraft Committee. What's interesting about this name is that it came back around when Martin built the massive JRM flying boats. So someone on the committee apparently warmed up to the idea.

Citing Bowers, Baugher notes on his P-38D page that "[f]or a brief period, the USAAF considered naming the P-38 'Atlanta'". This would be in line with the British tendency to name aircraft after cities and would have ironically resulted in it bearing the name of the location that the merged Lockheed Martin would operate starting in 1951. However, Bowers does not technically explicitly state that the USAAF considered the name, stating in a parenthetical phrase on page 291 of United States Military Aircraft Since 1909 that "Atlanta having been considered for a brief interim period". It's possible that this name was proposed by Lockheed, although it seems unlikely given their predilection for astronomical monikers.

Lastly, there is the F7F, which is noted that it was originally suggested to have been named the "Tomcat", but was rejected for being too risqué. (Personally, I've never understood why, but as one comment on a Facebook post by the U.S. Naval Institute relates: "My mom used the phrase, 'Out tomcattin' around' for someone who was promiscuous or philandering. She was born in '25." Further evidence of its prominence at the time and slang meaning comes from the fact that a Fletcher-class destroyer, the USS Colahan, used the term as a nickname as well. A book on the ship explains on page 205 that it acquired the name from the Tomcat Destroyer Squadron which was "'called that because it was prowling around at all hours, fifty or more miles from the main force, with a CAP flying cover.'") According to Grumman test pilot Corky Meyer:
Corky Meyer wrote:
Early in the XF7F-1 flight-test program, the flight-test group informally dubbed it "Tomcat." The name seemed to fit a night fighter, so Grumman proffered it to the BuAer fighter desk in Washington D.C. and was surprised when the name was denied. The Navy letter stated, "The name 'Tomcat' is unacceptable. It denotes feline promiscuity." Period; end of message. It did accept the second name "Tigercat," as not being as socially and politically unacceptable.

(Source: WW2Aircraft.net)

The anecdote notes that this occurred "[e]arly in the XF7F-1 flight-test program" and given that the aircraft first flew on 2 November 1943, this would place it around only a year after names for aircraft were first announced, so it seems that "Tomcat" could have been another casualty of the board.

In conclusion, I don't know whether all of the above are examples of the Sub-Committee on Naming of Aircraft of the Joint Aircraft Committee in action, but they do paint a picture of why the names assigned to aircraft were referred to as "approved names" at the time.

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You have to love the Wichita Eagle article about something so esoteric getting that many inches in print.
Shows the importance of the aircraft industry in town...major plants like Boeing, Cessna and Beech...plus subcontractors (which included both Beech and I believe, Cessna).
Fun fact: Beech built the fuselage for early Bell 206s for Bell...who was busy building Hueys and OH-13Ss and TH-13Ts..I don't know if they made the OH-58 fuselage.

The article says nicknames would be one word...and guessed the locally produced "Bird Dog" would get a new name. Spoiler Alert...Didn't happen.

The list has some errors or things that didn't happen...like The USAF F-4s being the F-110.
Also there are several "I didn't know that" things in the list. Note some Stratojets are called R-47s.
For a short period, RB-47s were tedesignated R-47s.
As I recall, it was to make them look less hostile while doing their dangerous recon work. With the new designation, the White House/State Department/Pentagon could downplay a foreign government being upset about such aircraft in their territory...as they were not "combat" aircraft. Russia wasn't fooled; it shot down at least two and severely damaged a third which made it to Japan for an emergency landing.

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As I recall, it was to make them look less hostile while doing their dangerous recon work. With the new designation, the White House/State Department/Pentagon could downplay a foreign government being upset about such aircraft in their territory...as they were not "combat" aircraft.

You know, that makes a certain amount of sense. Recall that the Soviets were reportedly concerned about the C-74 during the Berlin Airlift because they thought its ventral cargo loading hatch could function as a bomb bay.[1]

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A little side note on the Hueys. Bell Helicopter embossed the left pedal with "BELL" and the right pedal with "HUEY". They continued this on their civilian versions of the Hueys, the 205 and the 212.


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A little side note on the Hueys. Bell Helicopter embossed the left pedal with "BELL" and the right pedal with "HUEY". They continued this on their civilian versions of the Hueys, the 205 and the 212.


It would be interesting to know when that started...late " B"s, "D"s?
I recall seeing that on fairly new UH-1Ns a very long time ago.
It's a rare example of a manufacturer really accepting a unofficial nickname...casting it in metal (the aeronautical equivalent of casting something in stone?).

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My guess would be the "B" models. I did fly "A" models at Ft. Rucker in Nov. 69 when we transitioned to Hueys, but I sure don't remember what the pedals had on them. I'll call the Ft. Rucker museum Monday just for grins and see if they will take a look for me.


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