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PostPosted: Wed Oct 21, 2015 7:09 pm 
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Can you handle yet another photo thread? ... actually I've owed a thread to a certain WIX member for some time. Hope this works.

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Naval Aircraft Factory/Interstate TDN-1 attack drone (Bureau # 17308) Ready for its first (piloted) flight at Naval Air Station, Traverse City, Michigan on 19 May 1943. Pilot was Lieutenant C.C. Corley. The plane's Bureau # is crudely marked on the engine cowlings, fuselage and vertical tail. Note the stepladder and nose wheel towing bar.

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Naval Aircraft Factory/Interstate TDN-1 attack drone (Bureau # 17308) On its first (piloted) flight, near Naval Air Station, Traverse City, Michigan, 19 May 1943. Pilot was Lieutenant C.C. Corley. The TDN was intended to serve as a television-guided flying bomb. Note the antennas atop the fuselage, behind the wing, and aperature for a television camera in the center of the plane's nose. The plane's Bureau # is crudely marked on the engine cowlings, vertical tail and rudder, and the horizontal stabilizer. This view looks north from over Franke Road, immediately south of the west side of Traverse City. Silver Lake Road is in the upper distance, with the State Hospital Farm visible in the upper left.

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Naval Aircraft Factory/Interstate TDN-1 attack drone (Bureau # 17308) On its first (piloted) flight, near Naval Air Station, Traverse City, Michigan, 19 May 1943. Pilot was Lieutenant C.C. Corley. The TDN was intended to serve as a television-guided flying bomb. Note the antennas atop the fuselage, behind the wing. The plane's Bureau # is crudely marked on the forward fuselage, vertical tail and rudder. This view looks west-northwest, several miles south of Traverse City. Chum's Corner, the intersection of north/south highway M-37 and east/west highway US 31, is in the lower right. The southern part of Silver Lake runs across the center of the view, with Bass Lake beyond and Long Lake in the distance.

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USS Sable (IX-81) In West Grand Traverse Bay, off Traverse City, Michigan, for flight tests of TDN-1 drones, 10 August 1943. A crane barge is under tow near the ship. This view looks north, with Old Mission Peninsula in the right distance and Marion Island visible beyond the barge in the left center

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USS Sable (IX-81) In West Grand Traverse Bay, off Traverse City, Michigan, with two TDN-1 drones on her flight deck for tests, 10 August 1943

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USS Sable (IX-81) Off Traverse City, Michigan, for flight tests of TDN-1 drones, 10 August 1943. A crane barge is alongside, lifting a TDN-1 onto the ship's flight deck. Note that its wings have been detached and are stowed on deck at left. This view looks south, with Clinch Park in the immediate center background. The tall building in the left center distance is the Park Place Hotel. The clock tower in the right distance is that of the Traverse City State Bank.

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USS Sable (IX-81) TDN-1 drones parked on the flight deck, off Traverse City, Michigan, during flight tests on 10 August 1943. Note the inscriptions and cartoons on the aircraft noses, including Fatstuff and Coop's and Roy on the nearer TDN, and Dilbert on the more distant one.

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USS Sable (IX-81) Launching a TDN-1 drone while steaming astern off Traverse City, Michigan, during flight tests on 10 August 1943. Another TDN-1 is parked near the ship's island. Note the dense coal smoke issuing from Sable's smokestack, and what appears to be a SNB twin-engine airplane approaching in the left distance.

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USS Sable (IX-81) Launching a TDN-1 drone while steaming off Traverse City, Michigan, during flight tests on 10 August 1943. Note this aircraft's unoccupied cockpit. The TDN was intended for use as a television-guided attack drone

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USS Sable (IX-81) Launching a TDN-1 drone while steaming off Traverse City, Michigan, during flight tests on 10 August 1943. This plane has assumed an excessive nose-up attitude and is probably about to stall. The terrain in the distance appears to be Sutton's Bay, indicating that the ship was heading westwards in Grand Traverse Bay, off the northern end of the Old Mission Peninsula. Note the J2F amphibian flying off the ship's port bow, possibly acting as a drone control aircraft

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USS Sable (IX-81) TDN-1 drone about to crash into Grand Traverse Bay, after taking off from the ship while she was steaming off Traverse City, Michigan, during flight tests, 10 August 1943. The terrain in the distance appears to be different from that seen in Photo # 80-G-387175, and people in Sable's catwalk have moved (as has the photographer), indicating that this may be a different TDN-1 than that seen in the other photo.

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Naval Aircraft Factory TDN-1 assault drone (at right) Drops two bombs while under radio control, in an experimental attack on a target (at left) in Delaware Bay, January 1943. A Grumman J2F Duck is ahead of the TDN, possibly acting as a control or chase plane

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Naval Aircraft Factory TDN-1 assault drone (top) Makes an attack while under radio control, during experiments in Delaware Bay, January 1943. In this view, the drone's two bombs have hit the water just short of the target. A Grumman J2F Duck is beyond the TDN, possibly acting as a control or chase plane.

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Naval Aircraft Factory TDN-1 assault drone Attacks a target while under radio control, during experiments in Delaware Bay, January 1943

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Naval Aircraft Factory TDN-1 assault drone Explodes as it strikes its target, during radio controlled experiments in Delaware Bay, January 1943

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 21, 2015 10:21 pm 
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I certainly welcome any photo thread that you can come up with,Mark. This one is unusual and interesting,as always. Welcome back.


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I was at the AUVSI UAV Competition at OLF Webster this summer. Not a single person I spoke with, who was actively involved in current military UAV programs, had heard of these aircraft.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 22, 2015 8:16 am 
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Awesome pics as usual Mark, thanks!
Do any of these aircraft still exist?

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Great stuff. Even with provision as envisioned for a centerline torpedo or bombs, the gear seems excessivly long (to me anyway).


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I believe the gear was intended to be jettisoned in operational use.
I don't think there are and TDN's left, there is TDR (competing attack drone) in the Naval Aviation museum in Pensacola.

I'm not surprised that no one currently doing UAV was familiar with these. Just like no one connected with the HAASW glide torpedo seems to acknowledge that the concept was originally fielded in 1914

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 22, 2015 2:36 pm 
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Thanks Mark. TVC is my stomping grounds. I recognized the 3 lakes before I even read the caption. IIRC one of those things crashed on approach to the airport into nearby houses. There was some fatalities from that mishap. The local museum has some photos of these things aircraft.


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This may be part of a TDN-1 (currently located at DeKalb Airport, IL):
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This doesn't look as flat-sided as the TDN; maybe a TDR?
What a find! What's the story on how it survived?

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Several years ago I met a man that was an engineer for Interstate. He was surprised that we knew anything about the TDR as they were kept secret for several years (decades) after the war.
Some interesting things he told us about the plane; wings were built by Wurlitzer (organs), fuselage welding by Anhauser Busch, and controls by Singer (sewing machines). He was surprised when the govt. showed pictures of modern cruise missiles hitting targets of how much they looked like TDR's hitting targets in the 40's.


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Neat stuff ...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CwS669Ipgwc

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Three of the takeoff pictures have been flopped. As noted in the preceding picture, the TDNs are taking off to the stern (probably to have as much deck run as possible without risk of crashing into the island, given its forward location) and the pictures were taken from the island. As a result, the national insignia is on the wrong wing (it should be on the upper left wing, not the upper right).


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Tailspin Turtle wrote:
Three of the takeoff pictures have been flopped. As noted in the preceding picture, the TDNs are taking off to the stern (probably to have as much deck run as possible without risk of crashing into the island, given its forward location) and the pictures were taken from the island. As a result, the national insignia is on the wrong wing (it should be on the upper left wing, not the left).

Duly noted and fixed. Mark, can you pull these from my Flickr page to replace the flopped ones in your Photobucket?

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https://www.flickr.com/photos/62734960@ ... 5/sizes/o/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/62734960@ ... 1/sizes/o/

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