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Sat Aug 22, 2015 8:16 am
Hawker Hunter crashed in UK at a Battle of Britain airshow..
Pilot may have survived - fingers crossed..
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/aviatio ... -Show.html
Sat Aug 22, 2015 8:51 am
Apparently it crashed into a highway - Looks like there may be a number of casualties on the ground.
Hoping for the best.
Sat Aug 22, 2015 10:00 am
Latest reports are that 2 cyclists on the ground were killed, with additional casualties (condition not stated) as well.
Thoughts & prayers to the families.
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest- ... am-Airshow
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JFS61 on Sat Aug 22, 2015 10:08 am, edited 1 time in total.
Sat Aug 22, 2015 10:08 am
Sat Aug 22, 2015 10:36 am
That is truly terrible, the classic show routine error, mis-judged low level loop trying to correct by hauling back on the stick and in the process exceeding the critical angle of attack. At that altitude there's no way out and you hit the ground pancaking in a deep stall. It hurts even more because I've seen it in person, at a different airshow, and I've seen it so often on video. Condolences to all concerned, maybe it will eventually be time to do away with low level aerobatics at airshows once and for all. Too many good people gone.
Tom Bowers
Sat Aug 22, 2015 10:43 am
hbtcoveralls wrote:That is truly terrible, the classic show routine error, mis-judged low level loop trying to correct by hauling back on the stick and in the process exceeding the critical angle of attack. At that altitude there's no way out and you hit the ground pancaking in a deep stall.
Flaps may have dropped/failed prior to loop entry on on initial pull up......and pilot not been aware to allow abandoning manoevure at top of loop....?
Sat Aug 22, 2015 10:59 am
hbtcoveralls wrote:Condolences to all concerned, maybe it will eventually be time to do away with low level aerobatics at airshows once and for all. Too many good people gone.
There seem to have been quite a few of these at English airshows over the years - A-26, P-38, Mosquito, Firefly, and now this one. I imagine that this crash will probably precipitate a bureaucratic crackdown on these displays in the UK, as pilots getting killed is one thing, but civilians on the ground quite another.
Sat Aug 22, 2015 11:24 am
I've noticed the flying in the UK is more aggressive. I enjoy seeing a warbird doing that type of flying, but. We can still and should still be able to see loops and rolls and turns but at a more gentle rate. I'm afraid that airshows will be banned if these things keep happening.
Sat Aug 22, 2015 11:25 am
JFS61 wrote:hbtcoveralls wrote:Condolences to all concerned, maybe it will eventually be time to do away with low level aerobatics at airshows once and for all. Too many good people gone.
There seem to have been quite a few of these at English airshows over the years - A-26, P-38, Mosquito, Firefly, and now this one. I imagine that this crash will probably precipitate a bureaucratic crackdown on these displays in the UK, as pilots getting killed is one thing, but civilians on the ground quite another.
of course they will now ban all air shows and most warbirds, the uk is full of f**s
Sat Aug 22, 2015 11:36 am
Firebird wrote:hbtcoveralls wrote:That is truly terrible, the classic show routine error, mis-judged low level loop trying to correct by hauling back on the stick and in the process exceeding the critical angle of attack. At that altitude there's no way out and you hit the ground pancaking in a deep stall.
Flaps may have dropped/failed prior to loop entry on on initial pull up......and pilot not been aware to allow abandoning manoevure at top of loop....?

it appears that the flaps are down in the this photo as well
Sat Aug 22, 2015 11:40 am
fiftycal wrote:JFS61 wrote:hbtcoveralls wrote:Condolences to all concerned, maybe it will eventually be time to do away with low level aerobatics at airshows once and for all. Too many good people gone.
There seem to have been quite a few of these at English airshows over the years - A-26, P-38, Mosquito, Firefly, and now this one. I imagine that this crash will probably precipitate a bureaucratic crackdown on these displays in the UK, as pilots getting killed is one thing, but civilians on the ground quite another.
of course they will now ban all air shows and most warbirds, the uk is full of f**s
Fiftycal looks like you unfortunately never miss a chance to be disgusting! For your info There are now already 7 confirmed deaths in the public from this tragic accident and is most likely going to rise.
Moderators time to do your work.
Laurent
Sat Aug 22, 2015 11:45 am
Sat Aug 22, 2015 11:53 am
Sat Aug 22, 2015 12:05 pm
End of jet acro I think...the Gnat a few weeks back and now the Hunter with ground loss of life.
Would suspect FAA will likely weigh in on this as well
Sat Aug 22, 2015 12:38 pm
Matt Gunsch wrote:Firebird wrote:hbtcoveralls wrote:That is truly terrible, the classic show routine error, mis-judged low level loop trying to correct by hauling back on the stick and in the process exceeding the critical angle of attack. At that altitude there's no way out and you hit the ground pancaking in a deep stall.
Flaps may have dropped/failed prior to loop entry on on initial pull up......and pilot not been aware to allow abandoning manoevure at top of loop....?

it appears that the flaps are down in the this photo as well

Flaps may have been extended for the routine in general, being low speed maneuvering of a high speed aircraft. From the video and the aircraft's attitude it still looks to me like the aircraft was in fact in a stall when it impacted. Even an aircraft that appears to be in level flight can be in a full stall if the critical angle of attack of the descending aircraft is exceeded. If this maneuver had been done at 5000'AGL (instead of what looks to me like 2000' AGL with a bottom below regular pattern altitude) it should have been entirely recoverable.
Tom Bowers
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