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 Post subject: Warbirds for Sale!
PostPosted: Wed Aug 19, 2015 11:42 am 
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Air Assets Intl. just listed eight aircraft for sale that include a P-51D, FG-1D, PBY-5A, PT-22, FW-190 (Replica), DC-3A, Spirit of St. Louis (Replica) and a Cassutt Racer. Check out the website at www.airassets.com for more information.


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Evergreen aircraft - MAN I wish I had the cash to pick up the PBY or the DC-3A - they would be perfect for the Wendover Museum.

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Corsair for us too... that PBY I'd selfishly want for myself.

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P-51: 1.7mil
F4U: 2.8 Mil
DC-3: 395K
FW-190: 350K
PT-22 and Canso: Price on Request
Cassutt racer: 15k
Ryan S.O.S.L.: 172K

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http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry ... 1&PageNo=1

Is this the 190?

http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry ... rtxt=447FW


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The FW-190 is not registered.


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I was reading (as of 2013) the PBY has bad engines on it and would need work to fly again. From what I read, it was flown to Evergreen with borrowed engines from BC and the old ones were put back on when it got to Evergreen.


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P-51: 1.7mil
F4U: 2.8 Mil
DC-3: 395K
FW-190: 350K
PT-22 and Canso: Price on Request
Cassutt racer: 15k
Ryan S.O.S.L.: 172K

That very Mustang was once the most expensive P-51D to be sold. After restoration from Bruce Goessling at Chino in 1984 it was sold by Max Ramsay to Fox 51 Ltd. for the (then) unheard of price of $450.000,-. It did however include a spare zero- time engine. The next year SHF's N167F passed the $500.000,- mark...

And a few years later Denny Sherman shook his head in disbelief in a Warbirds Intl. interview of the fact that a Corsair (-5 I think) had gone above $1.000.000,-. Where have those days gone...

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Denny & his son Terry are great people to deal with. I bought my T-6G from them over a decade ago.


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The FW-190 is not registered.


Thanks Gordon. Not that I'm in the market, but what is its airworthiness status? Potential flyer?


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According to Evergreen (when it was delivered), the Fw-190 replica is just display-purpose only and not capable of being a flying airframe - essentially a full-scale model (would explain the less than expected price for a potential or actual flyer - a new, uncompleted Flugwerk kit cost $750,000). If I recall correctly, it was put together by Legend Flyers, and has definite signs of Flugwerk elements in it. The one that you originally linked to, BDK, (N447FW) is owned and flown by the Erickson Aircraft Collection.

Speaking of Evergreen and Legend Flyers, back in July Legend Flyers stated that the A6M3 Zero which they had been restoring to fly for Evergreen, had been purchased by a new owner, who will definitely be flying the aircraft when completed. The plan had been to complete the aircraft with an operational Sakae engine, but due to legal issues concerning the ownership of the engine (and lesser so some potential operational reliability concerns), the decision was made to now complete the aircraft with an R-1830, so as to get it flying in a timely manner (with the eventual option of fitting it with the Sakae engine, if the ownership issue is resolved and the engine can be secured). As of June, the aircraft is now registered as N9940 to Legend Flyers.


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So, what exactly will be left at Evergreen besides the Spruce Goose? Sounds like most of the "good stuff" is going away.


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So, what exactly will be left at Evergreen besides the Spruce Goose? Sounds like most of the "good stuff" is going away.


I asked the same question here a couple of weeks ago and was told some modern military stuff and some civil aircraft.
Also, the rather impressive collection of helicopters.

May not be exciting for us, but 90% on the non-aviation public go there just to see the Hughes.

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 Post subject: Re: Warbirds for Sale!
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67N20 wrote:
So, what exactly will be left at Evergreen besides the Spruce Goose? Sounds like most of the "good stuff" is going away.


The way I see it goes like this:

Evergreen certainly isn't a "warbird" museum -- it's far more of a "history of flight" museum. If all of these planes go away, there will still be planes from the earliest days of flight to the modern jet and rocket aircraft in the "space" museum. Frankly, I think the warbirds aren't displayed very well at all -- they're rather crammed in next to each other. So, a certain amount of "cleaning out" wouldn't be so bad. Up to a point.

At this point, nothing has left the museum, but from what I've heard, including a lengthy chat with a docent there about a week ago, Collings plans on flying out the B-17, the P-38, and the P-40, and the docent was quite sure that the Bf 109 would go away, though I'm not sure if that'll go to Collings or not. The museum's Bf 109 is very notable in that it has a German engine, as most others have Spanish engines. Or so said the docent.

I will absolutely miss the B-17 and especially the DC-3, if indeed the latter sells and goes away.

By the way, I've been to the museum quite a number of times over the past few months, as I'm a member and about a half-hour's drive away. And virtually any day of the week, the museum has been plenty busy, with all kinds of different license plates on the cars in the parking lot. I have been going to the museum for years, since its early days, but I only recently learned that you can actually get up into the cockpit of the Spruce Goose -- a friend and I paid an extra, whopping $25 for the both of us to get up there. We spent about a half-hour up there with a very good docent, and had a great time. I highly recommend it!

Finally, there are plenty of warbirds in FAR, FAR better displays at the Museum of Flight in Seattle, and the Erickson Aircraft Collection in Madras is open for viewing in its new hangar -- and (of course) very nearly every plane in that collection flies. Visiting the "museum" (the hangar) there is a great experience -- walk in the door, pay the entrance fee, then walk through the hangar without any kinds of ropes or chains or anything keeping you from poking your nose wherever you'd like to poke it into. It's just some of the best access you can get for a hangar full of warbirds. The "Airshow of the Cascades" is happening next weekend (August 28-29), and admission to the air show includes admission to the Erickson Aircraft Collection. There is still time to make some travel plans.

In the end, if Evergreen loses some warbirds (and a few non-warbirds) and if those indeed wind up flying, I don't think that's so bad. There are plenty of other opportunities to see warbirds relatively close-by.


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 Post subject: Re: Warbirds for Sale!
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thoots wrote:
In the end, if Evergreen loses some warbirds (and a few non-warbirds) and if those indeed wind up flying, I don't think that's so bad.


I agree IF those types sold, (especially the civil aircraft since warbirds aren't usually hidden) don't end up in a rich guy's hangar never to be seen again.

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