Tallichet birds at Barstow

[jspott]

I would love to see a list of what Marc still owns.

[Lon Moer]

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[T J Johansen]

Here is the P-39 in question, on the right side.



T J

[T J Johansen]

The A-26 is 44-34697 stilled owned by MARC last time reported in their hangar in Chino in bare metal

Also near the far right you can see one of the wings of MARC's Corsairs

The photographer has identified the A-26 as 44-35888 N4810E. The FG-1D is N6897.

T J

[hang the expense]

Wow now that photo has all sort of goodies in it,

Lets see the B-29 is 44-61669 which is now on display at March AFB

P-40 is one of the very first full scale fiberglass birds, the plane was used in the Baa Baa Black Sheep pilot

The P-39 is the Fort Nelson Bird

The A-26 is 44-34697 stilled owned by MARC last time reported in their hangar in Chino in bare metal

Also near the far right you can see one of the wings of MARC's Corsairs

I think the P-40 is one of the real ones and may be the one that ended up in Lousianna .I have one of the glass birds and its stab attach is nothing like that bird.Also that has a real engine mount attached to the firewall.It may have some glass cowling parts and then again those could be real.You can also see lower station 6 and 7 peaking out from the opening on the bottom of the fuselage.JMO

[T J Johansen]

I think the P-40 is one of the real ones and may be the one that ended up in Lousianna .I have one of the glass birds and its stab attach is nothing like that bird.Also that has a real engine mount attached to the firewall.It may have some glass cowling parts and then again those could be real.You can also see lower station 6 and 7 peaking out from the opening on the bottom of the fuselage.JMO

Any chance it could be N9950? Even though the colors aren't 100% similar that might a be detail brush- up...

http://www.p40warhawk.com/P-40sToday/Di ... _N9950.htm

T J

[Dan Jones]

Here is the P-39 in question, on the right side.



T J

Did this B-29 ever fly with YAF?

[hang the expense]

Dave told me it was the only airplane that darn near broke him, money wise.So he parked it at March.

[Ethan]

While on the subject of aircraft recovered from New Guineaby Tallichet, does anyone have any info on the whereabouts of P-40N 42-105951? The last info I found which was a few years old said that the wings were in New Zealand while the fuselage was at Chino. I live near Chino and have seen MARCs storage yard but there doesn't seem to be a P-40 fuselage there.

Hi Ethan,

When this plane was recovered it was basically a pile of parts the wings went to Charles Darby to us in the rebuild of NZ3009 while the fuselage was one of the many P-40s loaded and shipped to the US by MARC. As for the location of the airframe now after David passed awy there was sort of a general cleanup of stuff in the Chino yard most of the P-40 and P-39 stuff went up to Barstow.

I had no idea that they still had a yard in Barstow. Is it at Barstow Daggett airport? because I fly in there all the time. Did any of Tallichets stuff end up at ocotillo ?

[T J Johansen]

The photographer has identified the A-26 as 44-35888 N4810E. The FG-1D is N6897.

44-35888 never was in storage in Barstow, it went straight to MARC in 73 and stored in the backlot of MARC. It was in bare metal.

Both 44-34697 and 44-35888 are both still owned by MARC and at Chino

Sorry Rob, but I can assure you that 44-35888 N4810E was indeed at Barstow in 1978.

Another photo has emerged, shot two days before the one of the B-29 I linked to on Wednesday, and shows the A-26 from the side. Without a doubt 44-35888 N4810E at Barstow - Daggett on Oct. 21, 1978.
https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2893/124 ... ca60_b.jpg

T J

[T J Johansen]

Well, with the knowledge that both N4807E and N4810E were present at Barstow in Oct. 78, one other question which might be interesting is which one of the MARC Invader's was the one lost in the July 87 hangar fire.

T J

[george]

Really interesting pictures, T J. When I visited Barstow in 1980 or 1981, there was only an A-26 hulk and the B-29, which was nosed up to the long wooden bay. I don't recall any parts of aircraft, or parts of any kind laying around, like are in your pictures. No one was at the airport. There was a small old worn sign that said Yesterdays Air Force.

I think the P-39 in your picture was moved over to March AFB.

[T J Johansen]

Good question I'm thinking it might be one of the South America one's he purchased, but his notes don't show much nor do they really list what was lost in the hangar fire.

Which leads to the question of which ex- FAN Invaders actually made it back to the US?

We all know 44-34104 N99420 did as it currently flies with Tim Savage.

Dan Hagedorn and Leif Hellström's excellent book "Foreign Invaders" note that in regard to the A-26s traded for Cessna 172s, that neither 43-22668 N99422 nor N99425 made it back! Due to 422 being basically an un- airworthy "hangar queen" which was left in Managua (having been that much since the day of delivery), and 425 was noted even later in Managua missing parts. Add to that the fourth A-26 (which never even got a US registration) which possibly is the one pictured in the book, still in Managua by 1990, very, very derelict.

As for the fire, Flypast quoted Stars and Stripes magazine (their story was also published in part by the LA Times) reporting that "the blaze destroyed two motorhomes, two motorcycles, two runway sweepers, various airport equipment, sixteen racing gliders, and a pair of WWII B-29 bombers". A local Flypast reader drove over to Barstow to check on this, and two of the locally based Daggett Aviation employees took him to inspect the victims. They turned out not to be B-29s, but an A-26 and a Cessna T-50. This along with a load of spares (for what is not mentioned). I have found elsewhere that the "racing gliders" were actually gliders supposed to have been used for a competition at Barstow.

Really interesting pictures, T J. When I visited Barstow in 1980 or 1981, there was only an A-26 hulk and the B-29, which was nosed up to the long wooden bay. I don't recall any parts of aircraft, or parts of any kind laying around, like are in your pictures. No one was at the airport. There was a small old worn sign that said Yesterdays Air Force.

I think the P-39 in your picture was moved over to March AFB.

Very interesting. Possibly the A-26 which succumbed to the fire then. You don't by any chance remember if it was a glass nosed or hard nose version? I just tried using Google Earth's historic view for Barstow, and it goes back to 1995. Not much in particular was visible outside the bays at that time, and it has remained like this until present. So, can we deduct from your report, and Google Earth's views that Barstow ceased being a major storage facility for MARC/ YAF that long ago (1980 ish)?

T J

[zorro9]

....any more stories on the A-26?? Tks in advance,

[zorro9]

p.s Can we contact the photographer Phillip Dawe for other poss angles of the B-26 Invader?? Tks