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PostPosted: Mon Sep 01, 2014 2:40 pm 
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Don't read if you don't want your blood boiling, but for those that like to defend :

http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2014/08 ... orito.html

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 01, 2014 2:59 pm 
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What a dickwad.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 01, 2014 3:12 pm 
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Toronto newspapers publish articles like this every year around airshow time. I remember one year someone was complaining about the kerosene residue left on the plants in their garden, which was caused by the reckless airshow planes.

It's typical for people to move to Toronto, the largest city in Canada, and then complain of the noise.

Check back this time next year and there will be another article just like this one, I promise you.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 01, 2014 4:05 pm 
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Ah yes. A peacenik, with no knowledge of history. There used to be an entire crew of these who'd turn out to protest the old Hamilton airshow...they always got a bit of ink from the local paper, but everybody else pretty much ignored them, especially since by that time the airshow was almost entirely civilian anyway. And that's even truer now of CIAS at Toronto: all aerobats, the only modern combat type on the program at all being the Hornet.

Course some of the CIAS stuff operates from Billy Bishop Airport on Toronto Island (oh no! Bishop was an ace!); there's a sizeable body of opinion, waterfront condo owners often, who'd like to see the city's next mayor do a Richard Daly and rip up the runways there in the middle of the night (remember Meigs Field?)...could well happen in the medium term depending who wins the upcoming election.

What a contrast all this hoohaw is, in comparison with the Brits' reception of (frequent CIAS participant) CWH Lancaster C-GVRA. At least some of the populace (and in each place, truth told) do have a historic sensibility.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 01, 2014 5:02 pm 
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This is the same Toronto with Rob Ford as Mayor, right?

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 01, 2014 5:16 pm 
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Nathan at first I was offended by the title of your topic, yeah I read it anyway, after which I realized that it was an accurate summation of the writer and his article.


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Foxtrot the foxtroting foxtroters...so to speak :axe:


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I live very close to Louisville Kentucky, where we have the annual Thunder over Louisville airshow and fireworks. I remember one year in the late 90s a group of residents who lived right on the waterfront were b!tching about the noise. Its is one of the largest annual fireworks shows in the US with nearly a million people in town attending, yet these people expect them to cancel the show because it "offends" them.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thunder_Over_Louisville

Everyone pretty much laughed at those idiots. I didn't even bother to finish reading that article in the first post. The writer is just trolling, trying to get people upset to attract more exposure to himself and his writings.


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I am shocked a paper would publish that garbage.

Journalism is dead.


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I am shocked a paper would publish that garbage.

Journalism is dead.

Sarcasm Lives! The articles author also dislikes auto racing...go figure. Something else that disturbs his days whinging whilst knitting his hemp sandals.

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Just send him a scathing email - I just did. His article is beneath contempt.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 01, 2014 9:15 pm 
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Holy smokes! Wow! My boss has a twin in Canada?! No way!!

Yes, my boss turns into this guy every year as well, and the fact that my work facility is right next to Marine Corp. Air Station Miramar, my shop is on the Miramar College Campus, he just goes unglued! It's like a dog barking at cars!!

And to add salt to the wound, he lives down the road under the stations flight path! YES!! :supz:


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 01, 2014 9:24 pm 
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Some people just don't get it, or will ever get it. To them, airshows are just a bunch of noise and crowds, and nothing you can say will ever sway their opinion. I wish I'd live under a "turnaround" spot for an airshow. The closest I got was when I was taking Lamaze classes with my wife, and the turnaround for the Frederick Airshow was right over the spot where we were taking our classes. Do you have any idea how maddening it was to hear radial engines and not be able to do anything about it?

When Collings used to visit the Montgomery Airpark in Gaithersburg (GAI), the turnaround was over where I lived. One morning, after a late night gig, I heard the sound of multiple radial engines. I leaped out of bed, pulled up the shade and looked up in just enough time to see Nine-O-Nine coming right over my backyard. I don't think there is a better way to be woken up where you still have your pajamas on. On another occasion, I was putting together a swingset for my daughter when I heard that radial engine sound again. As Witchcraft came into view, I began involuntarily jumping up and down in excitement like a seven year old.

There's probably not a person on this message board who would not have felt the same way that I did in the above paragraph, but to the editorial writer, it just would have been noise. And that's a shame. I pity the guy for not being able to look up in the sky and appreciate the wonder of flight, let alone the history and the sacrifices.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 01, 2014 10:10 pm 
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I just wrote this to him, via email, because they locked the commentary after the article:

Mr. Fiorito,
Sir, this is a short refutation of your article, http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2014/08 ... orito.html


I was just forewarned about the content of your article, where it was freely posted for all to read, others were free (until comments were blocked) to disagree with you and share their views with other people, and you were free to write it without any fear of repercussions, suppression, or rounding up by those who disagreed with you to languish in a concentration camp until your untimely death at the hand of a person who did not view you as human. Due to your lack of hindsight, and probably foresight, I am compelled to write to you about that freedom.

You see, sir, you are freely able to write what you do in large part due to the price paid by your fellow countrymen, some of whom were probably family members of yours, and definitely were family members of mine. Yes, as a US citizen, I have family members who served and paid high prices for the freedom of Canada, the US, and every other free country in the world today.

That freedom was provided by their sacrifices. Neither you, nor I, will ever be able to sit in their shoes and share the terrible cost they paid in personal anguish, loss of comrades, and the terrible horror that is war. A number of those people would prefer the quiet of a Saturday afternoon as you do, not remembering their sacrifices, and enjoying their day. I respect their opinion, as I do yours. However, I must respectfully disagree with you for a number of reasons.

We risk succeeding generations being lulled into complacency that their freedom is something deserved, something part of the package of life, and something not worth fighting for as a man or woman. The UN Charter, US Declaration of Independence, and the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms aside, there are many evil and dark forces out there which would deny those rights for their own blind ambition- the current crises created by Vladimir Putin, Boko Haram and ISIL in Ukraine, Central Africa, and Nigeria come to mind- without regard for the human cost of those ambitions.

Our duties as a citizen of the world is to be mindful of such trends and conditions, honest in our assessment of them, and supportive of any efforts to suppress or otherwise abate such dangers, which are dangers to all humanity and not just those directly effected by such events; this is a principle established at the trials of Nuremburg and other such venues which have often declared that prevention of such tragedies is much better than the cost of stopping them once in play. Could you agree with that?

Then you must agree that a citizen of the world should be at least passingly familiar with the nuts and bolts of their own armed forces, the skills and techniques used by those forces, and the content of the character of those who man those positions. It is the same as vetting a candidate for elected office. How can a citizen do that? In first case, reading, but in second, spending time witnessing their training activities and operations to ensure that they reflect the best your country has to offer for it’s world duties. One of the few places you have this opportunity to do this is at a public airshow, as these activities are often otherwise done in training environments which preclude public scrutiny.

The airshow offers you a chance to view the progression of technology, much as you learned to be a professional writer, starting out with building blocks (words and sentences, Harvards and Tiger Moths) to move forward to current technology (word processors, editorial software, and F-18 Hornets) and create positive forces in the world (free, well thought-out, logical editorial, combat operations) to move things in a positive direction in the world. Where else would you have that chance. While my logic may be a stretch, you can recognize the logical progression, can you not?

You mentioned boys and dreams in your writing. Right now, in your neighborhood, possibly next door to you, there are boys who one day will bear the costs of current un-checked aggression against the forces of good in this world (I’ll count Canada and the US as part of those good forces). Should they not honestly see the hardware, sense the operational tempo, witness the responsibility required for their service before committing their lives to protect you and I? Or should we just levy a draft, compel them to serve with just orders from people we elect, and only tell them, “Dulce et Decorum est, pro Patria Mori?” Look up Wilfred Owen if you don’t know the reference.

Sir, I appreciate you sharing your opinion. It is a bright shining example of the freedoms we have. As I said, I have to disagree with you in your conclusions and what seems to be a less than professional acquaintance with the military which you seem to have. Perhaps it would be a good idea for you, as a professional writer, to go do some research at the airshow, think of some of my points, and perhaps try to walk for a few moments in the shoes of those kind, great forefathers we share who provided you with the opportunity to do so, freely.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 01, 2014 10:32 pm 
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I am currently in Toronto working and read the article when it came out. I can tell you that the local news station (at least the one that I was watching) did a descent job of representing the airshow well. The real test came Friday when one of the Canadian Harvard Team had a gear collapse at the international airport. While the news did described it as a crash they made it sound like the non-event that it was. Since the weather made it difficult to do any mapping of Toronto we did make it downtown and only saw a sign protesting the airshow. I would say that the majority of the people here in town do not mind the airshow. To the people wanting to get rid of the airshow, try complaining about the car traffic. It is horrible downtown.

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