Typhoons, Tempests ...

[airnutz]

One of my favorite types especially the Tempest Mk V. Seems like it would be a good candidate for a scale replica. Any number of engine types could be hidden under that big cowling.

Agreed...What would your choice be for something that replicated close to the Sabre?

[Steve T]

Well, he says scale replica, so it oughtn't be as huge a mill as the Sabre...something with a boxer configuration would be suitable though...how about a 2/3 scale Tiffy with a flat-12 Ferrari 512 engine up front?

I remember years ago flying in an Embraer Brasilia turboprop to Thunder Bay, looking out over the starboard cowl I was struck by how similar it looked to the front end of a Tiffy or Sabre-Tempest. Fullscale turbine Typhoon anyone??

S.

[airnutz]

Well, he says scale replica, so it oughtn't be as huge a mill as the Sabre...something with a boxer configuration would be suitable though...how about a 2/3 scale Tiffy with a flat-12 Ferrari 512 engine up front?

That's what I was thinking, or a pair of the pseudo-boxers stacked driving thru a reduction gear.
(Oooops... probably easier to use a real Sabre!)

[bdk]

How about two Subaru engines stacked? You could still have the radiator below. Connect them up with a belt or a chain to a common shaft running between them.

[daveymac82c]

I love these great pictures!

I especially like the ones of Pulverizer! It was flown by Harry Hardy, who I've meet a couple times. He's an absolutely amazing guy, and so were all his Tiffy pilot friends that I met when I organized a tour for them around Vancouver International Airport. Their stories were amazing and I really gained an admiration for the work they did with those amazing machines.

Peace,

David

[redvanner]

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And it's probably worth posting this - the sound of the Napier Sabre engine. Not great quality, but you can appreciate it sounds different to anything else!

http://tempest.nerdnet.nl/tempest.wav

Regards,

Are you really sure you didn´t mix up the records? It sounds like you are hoovering your office with a Dyson....


Michael

BTW Great pics, the Typhoon / Tempest / Seafury absolutely have a certain no nonsense quality, really impressive.

[JDK]

Are you really sure you didn´t mix up the records? It sounds like you are hoovering your office with a Dyson....

Uh, the sound quality's not great, but after the throttle's advanced, if that sounds like a Dyson to you, I think you want to check your hearing or your Dyson!

I should say he file's nothing to do with me, but via the excellent Tempest website: http://www.hawkertempest.se/

Regards,

[marine air]

Ok there are a few typhoon/tempest projects around, although none are flying, correct?
Idea 1) Why not swap out a Merlin 500 from the nose of a Hispano Buchon onto the front of a tempest? Couldn't it work and still look like it has the Napier Sabre engine up front.
Option 2) ditch the Napier Sabre and put a surplus Griffon 57/58 engine on the front as it would have enough horsepower and have the radiator up front etc.?
If you went with the contra rotating props it would have it's own unique sound and raspiness. Plus I think it would look awesome!

[JDK]

There is one surviving Typhoon, in the RAF Museum, ex- Smithsonian.

There are a number of Tempests, including some under active restoration to fly already - apart from Kermit's, they're to be Centaurus powered Mk.IIs.

The Tempest family had several different non-production versions with other engines; including the Griffon, but NOT the Merlin.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawker_Tempest#Variants

Like to see a Hawker Tornado with the RR Vulture. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawker_Tornado

Regards,

[Lynn Allen]

There is one surviving Typhoon, in the RAF Museum, ex- Smithsonian.

There are a number of Tempests, including some under active restoration to fly already - apart from Kermit's, they're to be Centaurus powered Mk.IIs.

The Tempest family had several different non-production versions with other engines; including the Griffon, but NOT the Merlin.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawker_Tempest#Variants

Like to see a Hawker Tornado with the RR Vulture. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawker_Tornado

Regards,

James, doesn't Kermit have a Typhoon? I know he has a Napier engine...

[Dave Homewood]

No. he has a Tempest Mk II and a Tempest Mk. V, the latter with the Sabre, and the Mk V is ex-No. 486 (NZ) Squadron too.

[Dan K]

There is one surviving Typhoon, in the RAF Museum, ex- Smithsonian...

Come now, James...certainly at least 1.3 surviving Typhoon.

[JDK]

Quite right - both that Kermit has a Napier Sabre engine Tempest, (and the ex-Skyfame Centaurus Tempest II) and that there are a couple of valiant efforts at reconstructing Typhoons by private individuals and groups in the UK and IIRC, Holland. But there is one complete survivor, which is lucky, and thanks to the Smithsonian, as the British disposed of all of theirs.

Muddling Typhoons and Tempests is often and easily done; but the difference, once you've tuned in, is as great as between the Wildcat and Hellcat, for instance. Lots of family resemblance, different beasts.

Main distinguishing feature is the wing planforms and thickness, then the Tempest is longer (in the nose, for fuel tanks - obvious when you look) and has the fin fillet the Inspector noticed; the Typhoon doesn't. No Tempests had the car door style cockpit, so if it's got that, it's a Tiffie, though Typhoons acquired the bubble canopy later (and no mark change to identify either).

Regards,

[Dave Homewood]

How many Typhoons made it to Egypt or into the North African campaign? Did they see much action there? And if so, were they effective?

I know the Hurricane was extremely good at the ground attack role in the desert, bombing and strafing enemy columns, tanks and positions. Was the Typhoon meant to take on the same role?

[JDK]

How many Typhoons made it to Egypt or into the North African campaign? Did they see much action there? And if so, were they effective?

A couple made it only for early (desert) trials, IIRC - it wasn't in widespread service before the African campaign was over.

I know the Hurricane was extremely good at the ground attack role in the desert, bombing and strafing enemy columns, tanks and positions. Was the Typhoon meant to take on the same role?

No, and neither. Both the Hurricane and the Typhoon were designed as air superiority fighters, with no ground attack capability in the spec or original design, beyond the "...and will do other things." element.

The need for fast ground attack, and the development, primarily of the 60lb rocket, as well as other items (like the 40mm cannon on Hurris) none of which had been believed likely pre-W.W.II combined with the fact that the Hurricane and Typhoon both proved good at it was how it came to pass.

The Typhoon / Tempest story is that the Typhoon was intended to be the replacement (as an air superiority fighter) of the Hurricane - for various reasons, it was a failure at that, and would have been forgotten as a rare Hawker mistake, but for finding a new niche in ground attack. The Tempest was a Typhoon sorted for air superiority, with a sideline in ground attack; which it proved good at. That's why the British trashed all their Typhoons, they were replaced in service by Tempests.

(And the Fury wasn't "better enough" than the Tempest for the RAF, but the RN were definitely up for a sea going super Tempest, hence the Sea Fury.)

Regards,