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The Unusual type for the Unusual type

Fri Jun 08, 2012 10:48 am

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Re: The Unusual type for the Unusual type

Fri Jun 08, 2012 10:56 am

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Man is that one Fug-Ugly airframe....British or French? Brits built a lot of Fug-Ugly aeroplanes

Re: The Unusual type for the Unusual type

Fri Jun 08, 2012 10:57 am

What's unusual about the Hellcat in the first shot? Can't see anything different or wacky.

Re: The Unusual type for the Unusual type

Fri Jun 08, 2012 11:01 am

Warbird Kid wrote:What's unusual about the Hellcat in the first shot? Can't see anything different or wacky.

The XF6F-4 sported 4 20MM cannons instead of the standard 6 .50cal...

Re: The Unusual type for the Unusual type

Fri Jun 08, 2012 11:05 am

Warbirdnerd wrote:
Warbird Kid wrote:What's unusual about the Hellcat in the first shot? Can't see anything different or wacky.

The XF6F-4 sported 4 20MM cannons instead of the standard 6 .50cal...


It also sports the very large gear doors as found on the prototype Hellcat. Or could it be that the prototype was used to create the -4 Hellcat?

Re: The Unusual type for the Unusual type

Fri Jun 08, 2012 11:08 am

Mark Allen M wrote:I know that's an FW190 on the right but can't make out what that is on the left

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The bird on the left is a Swedish FFVS J 22 fighter.

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Re: The Unusual type for the Unusual type

Fri Jun 08, 2012 11:16 am

C VEICH wrote:
Warbirdnerd wrote:
Warbird Kid wrote:What's unusual about the Hellcat in the first shot? Can't see anything different or wacky.

The XF6F-4 sported 4 20MM cannons instead of the standard 6 .50cal...


It also sports the very large gear doors as found on the prototype Hellcat. Or could it be that the prototype was used to create the -4 Hellcat?

From Wiki:
Prior to the XF6F-2 the XF6F-1 prototype (02981) became a testbed for a projected F6F-4: the XF6F-4, which first flew on 3 October 1942, was armed with four 20mm M2 cannon and was powered by an R-2800-27. This model was rejected and 02981 was converted to an F6F-3 and also delivered to the navy

Re: The Unusual type for the Unusual type

Fri Jun 08, 2012 11:27 am

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Re: The Unusual type for the Unusual type

Fri Jun 08, 2012 11:30 am

According to Wiki:

The Lockheed XP-49 (company Model 522) was an advancement on the P-38 Lightning for a fighter in response to U.S. Army Air Corps proposal 39-775. Intended to use the new 24-cylinder Pratt & Whitney X-1800 engine, this proposal, which was for an aircraft substantially similar to the P-38, was assigned the designation XP-49, while the competing Grumman Model G-46 was awarded second place and designated XP-50. Ordered in October 1939 and approved on January 8, 1940, the X-1800-powered XP-49 would feature a pressurized cockpit and armament of two 20 mm (.79 in) cannon and four 0.5 in (12.7 mm) machine guns. However, after two months into the contract a decision was made to substitute the Continental XI-1430-1 (or IV-1430) twelve cylinder liquid-cooled inverted vee engines for the X-1800. The XP-49, 40-3055, first flew on 11 November 1942. A crash landing on 1 January 1943 [1] occurred when the port landing gear failed to lock down due to a combined hydraulic and electric failure, and the XP-49 flew again on 16 February 1943 after repairs were made. The preliminary flight data showed that performance of the XP-49 was not sufficiently better than the production P-38, and with a questionable future for the XI-1430 engine, to warrant disruption of the production line to introduce the new model aircraft. Consideration of quantity production was therefore abandoned.

The aircraft was flown to Wright Field, and after various problems further work on the XP-49 was halted.


Mark Allen M wrote:P-38 with some fancy looking power plants

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Re: The Unusual type for the Unusual type

Fri Jun 08, 2012 12:39 pm

Brewster XA-32

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brewster_XA-32


Mark Allen M wrote:
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Re: The Unusual type for the Unusual type

Fri Jun 08, 2012 1:15 pm

This is where the Wright Field folks ran out of ideas of what to do with this and kept dropping it from increasing heights until it bent and broke IIRC. I believe it was post war and the engines kept it from flying so they investigated structural failures with it.
Craig59 wrote:According to Wiki:

The Lockheed XP-49 (company Model 522) was an advancement on the P-38 Lightning for a fighter in response to U.S. Army Air Corps proposal 39-775. Intended to use the new 24-cylinder Pratt & Whitney X-1800 engine, this proposal, which was for an aircraft substantially similar to the P-38, was assigned the designation XP-49, while the competing Grumman Model G-46 was awarded second place and designated XP-50. Ordered in October 1939 and approved on January 8, 1940, the X-1800-powered XP-49 would feature a pressurized cockpit and armament of two 20 mm (.79 in) cannon and four 0.5 in (12.7 mm) machine guns. However, after two months into the contract a decision was made to substitute the Continental XI-1430-1 (or IV-1430) twelve cylinder liquid-cooled inverted vee engines for the X-1800. The XP-49, 40-3055, first flew on 11 November 1942. A crash landing on 1 January 1943 [1] occurred when the port landing gear failed to lock down due to a combined hydraulic and electric failure, and the XP-49 flew again on 16 February 1943 after repairs were made. The preliminary flight data showed that performance of the XP-49 was not sufficiently better than the production P-38, and with a questionable future for the XI-1430 engine, to warrant disruption of the production line to introduce the new model aircraft. Consideration of quantity production was therefore abandoned.

The aircraft was flown to Wright Field, and after various problems further work on the XP-49 was halted.


Mark Allen M wrote:P-38 with some fancy looking power plants

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Re: The Unusual type for the Unusual type

Fri Jun 08, 2012 2:19 pm

Nakajima Ki-87


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakajima_Ki-87

http://www.warbirdsresourcegroup.org/IJ ... aki87.html

http://blog-imgs-44.fc2.com/m/i/n/mini0 ... import.jpg

http://www.geocities.jp/tokugawa_navy/C_Ki-87.jpg


Mark Allen M wrote:
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Re: The Unusual type for the Unusual type

Fri Jun 08, 2012 2:39 pm

The French looking double everything is the SNCAC NC-1071 which started out as the NC-1070 with two piston engines, 1947.

Blohm & Voss were handed the development contract to the Me-155 and it became the BV HA 155 a high altitude interceptor, contracts issued just days before the war ended.

The Buck Rogers art deco looking jet is the CAPRONI N-1 which used a buried twin row piston engine to turn the inlet compressor and the aft fuselage/ tail cone had to be removed to light off the jet part, usually with a huge flame until it got going.

The smiling Germans are leaning on a rather sorry looking Yakovlev AIR 15 from about 1936.

The Swedish FFV was designed and built while under embargo by the U.S. for engines and/or engine parts so the Swedes went ahead and did all their own R&D and metallurgy and turned out a first rate copy of the P&W WASP SC-3G-neener-neener.

The BREWSTER XA-32 'GRIZZLY' was the last airframe produced by Brewster, an ill handling P.O.S. About the time this pig hit the air, the War Dept caught up with Brewster and their shenanigans and moved quickly to close them up there's a BEST BUY or COSTCO located on the site of the old factory. GOOGLE BREWSTERS history on Wikipedia, what a chain of scams and blunders.

Re: The Unusual type for the Unusual type

Fri Jun 08, 2012 3:27 pm

The Inspector wrote:The smiling Germans are leaning on a rather sorry looking Yakovlev AIR 15 from about 1936.

Do you mean AIR-14?

I don't know a helluvalot about this thing but I believe the AIR-14 was the prototype and production models were designated UT-1. There was a similar 2-seat design designated UT-2; both were trainers. Here's a few more images of UT-1s, including another view of the ship in the photo Mark posted...

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And a shot of some UT-2s...

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Re: The Unusual type for the Unusual type

Fri Jun 08, 2012 3:39 pm

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