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PostPosted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 5:50 pm 
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I'd have to thank Jerry O'neill for getting me into reenacting and teaching me things here and there. He really started alot around our area and i owe him a lot. He's gotten me closer to the warbirds i love and has helped me get involved. I'll never be rich or famous and i'll work until i die. I'll never own a warbird and i'll always have bills too, but because of a great guy like Jerry, he helped me live a dream of mine to be close to the corsair. I can't thank him enough and i hope he reads this to see how sincere i am for changing my life and helping to educate the public. :D

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 6:10 pm 
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Pogmusic wrote:
Well, then I guess we have to rewrite historical context then don't we? I'm sorry if it offends your friends wife. I don't use the phrase except when used in historical context.

I have several family members, one uncle who died at Pearl Harbor, and friends who fought in the Japanese co-prosperity theater, who are greatly offended at having lost their youth and friends to the Japanese. What about the Filipino's who lived & died under their rule for years. What about the Koreans who serviced the Japanese? What about the Chinese for Gods sake? What about the Allied POWs forced to serve as slave labor, chemical and biological experiments and also starved to death -- nearly as bad as the German death camps. I'm sure that they're offended by the Japanese and what they did.


It doesn't offend me personally, and I'm not saying to re-write history, I was just letting you know that there might be a reaction to what you wrote, that's all.

Sorry I even brought it up, next time I won't try to help. :?


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 9:33 pm 
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I think my hypocrisy meter just exploded after reading some of these posts. Let’s see, which is better?

A). A group of re-enactors with possibly questionable tactics and some off weapons and uniform parts, hanging around at a show and doing a cheesy tactical re-enactment with no cover on open ground with no supporting arms?

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B). Two former WW2 airplanes with really questionable markings from opposite sides (maybe even marked for different theaters of operation, like a 8th AF Mustang going after a Zero), “dogfighting” at distances ridiculously close, not even simulated gunfire of any kind, and right afterwards the two planes form up and fly around.

Seems like many people here are just fine with the latter but have awful problems with the former. To me, they’re in the exact same category, only that one cost a lot more to put on than the other…

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Well, then I guess we have to rewrite historical context then don't we? I'm sorry if it offends your friends wife. I don't use the phrase except when used in historical context.
I have several family members, one uncle who died at Pearl Harbor, and friends who fought in the Japanese co-prosperity theater, who are greatly offended at having lost their youth and friends to the Japanese. What about the Filipino's who lived & died under their rule for years. What about the Koreans who serviced the Japanese? What about the Chinese for Gods sake? What about the Allied POWs forced to serve as slave labor, chemical and biological experiments and also starved to death -- nearly as bad as the German death camps. I'm sure that they're offended by the Japanese and what they did.
I have to say, it’s odd that there seems to be little ramifications over us characterizing the German people (most of whom weren’t even born before 1945) as “Krauts” or “Nazis” in the WW2 context, when we must tap dance around the Japanese issue. We can make fun of Nazi Germany in that way not just because of the inherent evil, but that they were Caucasians. The thing that made it oh so easy for 1940s America to hate the Japanese (the fact that looked so different from Caucasians) is making us now deny that aspect of history. Personally, I’m from the South, a region where slavery was legal and I had direct ancestors who fought for the Confederacy. None of them owned slaves and probably didn’t know anyone who did (they were all dirt poor), but I have no issues with people bringing this up in a historical context of the 1860s. In that context, all my relatives were “crackers,” “greybacks” or whatever derisive words they had at the time. But I think this is a self-imposed thing for Caucasians anyway. I dated a Japanese girl years ago and nobody in her family had issues with it. Her father knew I was a WW2 re-enactor as a hobby and said, “Hey, I know you don’t carry that hatred in your heart, but you’re representing those who did - and for good reason. In the context of WW2, that’s how people thought.”
But, there’ll always be those with infinitely thin skin, no matter what color it is.

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Pogmusic wrote:
As to the issue about party affiliation, that was applied to the officer corps of the Wehrmacht as late as 1938. Once again, tongue in cheek. Geeeeze.

Just out of interest where did you source that data from ? Shirer states otherwise

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The makeup of the Nazi party consisted mainly of the lower middle classes both rural and urban. 7% belonged to the upper class, 7% were peasants, 35% workers and 51% were what can be described as middle class. The largest single occupational group was elementary school teachers. For any Nazi members that had military ambitions, they entered the Waffen SS, since they were forbidden in the Wehrmacht. In order to join the Wehrmacht, National Socialist members had to surrender their party card
The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich
William L. Shirer (1960)
ISBN 0517102943

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This is my first post here. This is an interesting subject and I'm a little on the fence about this.
I think it comes down to personal motives, and I think they're as varied as pilot's motives for showing planes.
Some people mostly want to be seen, and others do it more to educate and pass along history.

The reason I wanted to post is I have a friend who brought over an old torn up 8X10 photograph of his father that he wanted me to 'repair' with photoshop. He had talked to me about this photo for about a year before he got around to bringing it over. His father was well on in his years when my friend was born, and he passed away several years ago. He said that his father was an aircraft mechanic in WWII, and he had a photo of his father standing in front of "some kind of plane" with another mechanic along with the pilot who flew the plane. He said that his father told him the pilot was very close with the mechanics who maintained his aircraft.

From my friend's story, I figured the aircraft would be some old garden variety transport or something but it turned out to be a P-40. (Neat photo!)

When I read cco23i's (Scott's) posts it reminded me of this photo, and I thought he might appreciate it.
(FWIW I think Scott is clearly into this for the right reasons)

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 5:18 am 
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No problem with re-enactors, as long they are not in the frame, when I photograph an aircraft.


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Harlan,
Thank you and that is an OUTSTANDING photo! Those are the type I like to see the uniform "adaptions" and such. Thanks again!

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 8:24 pm 
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ChrisDNT wrote:
No problem with re-enactors, as long they are not in the frame, when I photograph an aircraft.



If it's a ground crew reenactor we ENHANCE the aircraft! :D

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Okay, so to keep it authentic a typical re-enactor needs to be between 21-26 years of age, weigh between 140-175 pounds, and stand between 5'8" and 6'0. :)


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ACarey wrote:
Okay, so to keep it authentic a typical re-enactor needs to be between 21-26 years of age, weigh between 140-175 pounds, and stand between 5'8" and 6'0. :)



For a combat impression. As for ground crews there are guys from skinny to plump and short to tall. As well as 18 to 60's.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 9:40 pm 
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i was approached about re -enacting when i was in my mid 30's 15 years ago, & i had most of the gear too. i really wanted to do it, but i was required to shave my beard & incur the expense of buying period looking prescription glasses & sunglasses, because i'm blind as a bat & can't wear contact lenses. i couldn't justify that expense, but that's me!!! el cheapo!! :finga:

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It's not for everyone. One must have a passion and love of history to dedicate yourself to the displays and reenactments.

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 22, 2011 6:10 am 
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i think peope love to do this and i never ran into a reenactor who wasn't friendly or would talk about the airshow all day with me. Very nice people

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Re-enactors can be a great addition if done well. If done badly can be like an pilot who will not come out of the crew tent to talk to people.


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it's pretty cool to see original gear that you own on others in the 2nd stance.

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