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Tks for sharing Peter, any pics of the PZL-24A ?

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Great shot! Looks weird without the lower gear doors though.

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Michel Lemieux wrote:
Tks for sharing Peter, any pics of the PZL-24A ?

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Michel,

I was travelling light with just my small Canon Ixus Pocket camera. Photographing in the dimly lit hangar was problematic. I just switched off the flash, held it steady and trusted in photoshop shop to rescue it.

They have about 60 odd military aircraft on display here. Mostly 1950's/60's jets.

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Tks for the pics Peter.

Interesting from the picture with a back view. It seems the PZL has flaperons 8)
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Speaking of Turkey, isnt there some remains of one of the Ploesti B-24's on display somewhere in Turkey?

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Speaking of Turkey, isnt there some remains of one of the Ploesti B-24's on display somewhere in Turkey?



Right you are. Cockpit remains of "Hadley's Harem" in Istanbul:

http://www.airliners.net/photo/USA---Ai ... id=0675451

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Very interesting, thanks for the link Dan. Talk about a plane that should be on display here in the states!! I assume by looking at the photo, the cockpit was pulled from the sea. Were there any sings of the remainder of the plane? Just curious if anyone knows the story of the recovery.

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Pat Carry wrote:
Very interesting, thanks for the link Dan. Talk about a plane that should be on display here in the states!! I assume by looking at the photo, the cockpit was pulled from the sea. Was there any sings of the remainder of the plane? Just curious if anyone knows the story of the recovery.


Pat, the rediscovery of "Hadley's Harem" is a really neat story. Scroll down here for as good a version as you're about to find on-line:

http://www.tkinter.smig.net/Romania/Ref ... /index.htm


Here's a little more on the bird:

http://www.b24bestweb.com/hadleysharem1.htm

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Again, very interesting. Thanks for the links Dan. Have you or anyone else read that book, "Into the Fire"? I just might have to find me a copy.

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Pat Carry wrote:
Again, very interesting. Thanks for the links Dan. Have you or anyone else read that book, "Into the Fire"? I just might have to find me a copy.


Into the Fire was well done, including previously unpublished pics. I'm sure your local librarian could hunt down a copy for free.

Personally, I'm a sucker for Dugan's classic Ploesti: The Great Ground-Air Battle of 1 August 1943. I think I read it for the first time at around age 12 or so and have probably re-read it twenty times since then.

I've read about the raids concerning Taranto, Schweinfurt, Amiens, dambusters, you name it. Nothing really compares to Operation Tidalwave. I think General Brereton's pre-raid comment really sums it up:

If you do your job right, it is worth it, even if you lose every plane...

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... And apologies to Peter for my complete and unadulterated piracy of his Jug thread. :oops:

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... And apologies to Peter for my complete and unadulterated piracy of his Jug thread. :oops:


No problem.

I am just 'miffed'. That B-24 section was but a short taxi ride from my hotel. :(

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Dan K wrote:
I've read about the raids concerning Taranto, Schweinfurt, Amiens, dambusters, you name it. Nothing really compares to Operation Tidalwave. I think General Brereton's pre-raid comment really sums it up:

I don't think making comparisons is helpful to any of the people who planned and those others who executed those raids. Certainly Taranto is as worthy of the quote you mention, and the miracle that they got away with the incredibly light losses shouldn't detract from the vision and guts of the raid nor its strategic importance.

However, back on thread, great pics to share, Peter, thanks!

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