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Operation CASEY JONES:

Wed Aug 26, 2009 6:57 pm

Operation CASEY JONES:
portions still classified???

Summer 1945...

The 303rd Bomb Group remained in Europe... [actually 305BG, correction below...thanks!]
their B-17s were stripped of armament except the tail guns...
detailed to make mapping flights of "formerly occupied Europe"...

That last bit..."formerly occupied Europe"... that meant ALL territory once occupied by Nazi Germany...without the okay of the new occupation forces.

One vet I interviewed in 1979 noted that the 303rd lost a B-17 near the URAL Mountain Range and another B-17 was intercepted by SPANISH Bf-109s...

Interesting....eh?
Last edited by David_Aiken on Thu Aug 27, 2009 9:49 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Wed Aug 26, 2009 7:56 pm

Interesting, would that be considered reconnaissance or spying?

Wed Aug 26, 2009 9:09 pm

Holedigger wrote:Interesting, would that be considered reconnaissance or spying?


Rian J @ Hyperscale said,
"Also used in the first ELINT missions. . .
In 1946, Yugoslavian Yak 3's shot down two USAF C-47 courier planes that had strayed into Yugoslavian airspace due to bad weather on a flight from Austria to Rome. The first crew crash landed safely the second crew was killed. Tensions with Tito's communist government were high. The USAF wanted to know how the Yugoslavs could detect, intercept and shoot down the C-47's in bad weather. They outfitted two B-17's left over from the 303's mapping missions with radar detection devices and flew ferret missions just outside of Yugoslavian airspace. The unit was the 7499th Group. The Yugoslavs graciously lit up their radar stations and the B-17 Ferrets discovered the distinctive 570 MHz signals of a World War II German Würzburg radar, giving the ferrets a very nice picture of Yugoslavian air defenses, mainly . The ferrets then flew 3-4 missions a week along Soviet occupied territories mapping the Soviet radar capabilities and preparing corridors for air attacks in the event of war with the Soviet Union. During the Berlin Air Lift, the 7499th B-17's flew night mission along the Berlin corridor, masquerading as C-54's. They would arrive at Berlin and declare a landing gear problem and not land, returning to base, all the while probing Soviet radar along the corridor. It was the beginning of a long cold war game of cat and mouse with the Ruskies..."

Thu Aug 27, 2009 11:56 am

Very interesting. I did not know any of that.

Is anything known about the B-17 that was lost?

Thu Aug 27, 2009 9:43 pm

I never even heard of this prior to last week, but I've seen it come up four separate times in the past 7 days, so I've been doing a lot of digging around on it... it seems the 305th BG was the primary Casey Jones unit from what I've been able to find. There's a fantastic, lengthy article I found last evening on this- I believe it was on Aerovintage but will double check. Regardless, it was VERY eye-opening... the most compelling evidence I've yet seen to prove the Cold War started before the hot war was even over!

Lynn

Thu Aug 27, 2009 10:05 pm

Well, our allies, the Russians did seize our B-29s and aircrews who made emergency landings after Strikes on Japan. At least they gave us the crewmen back on those occasions. Guess it depends on just what your definition of ally is!
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