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It would be interesting to see what powerplant would be used for a flyable Tempest. With a Napier Sabre being so expensive to build/ rebuild, operate and maintain, I wonder if the owner would look for another type with similar performance. I also wonder whether the radial engine Tempests would use R-3350s like a lot of the Sea Furies today do, rather than the Centaurus. Anyone have any thoughts on this?

Nice to see some active restoration taking place on these Tempests. I would love to see one in the air with a Hurricane and Sea Fury some day... what a Hawker Heritage Flight that would be!

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Nelson Ezell's Tempest will utilize the 3350.

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kalamazookid wrote:
It would be interesting to see what powerplant would be used for a flyable Tempest. With a Napier Sabre being so expensive to build/ rebuild, operate and maintain, I wonder if the owner would look for another type with similar performance. I also wonder whether the radial engine Tempests would use R-3350s like a lot of the Sea Furies today do, rather than the Centaurus. Anyone have any thoughts on this?

Nice to see some active restoration taking place on these Tempests. I would love to see one in the air with a Hurricane and Sea Fury some day... what a Hawker Heritage Flight that would be!


A substitute powerplant may be required. But if the folks from The Vintage Aviator can build from scratch original spec engines, then a new Napier and or its parts can be built. Theres a question of FAA certification, I would think, requiring some modification to the design to modern standards for a 100% new engine. That, I think, would kick in a great financial burden to provide testing data for certification. Any thoughts from our restorers on that aspect? This is assuming there are no Napier parts floating about to incorporate into a restored engine, necessitating a 100% new engine. If the lump shown in the photo of SA-I (EJ693) on this post is our only proper engine with airworthy major components, perhaps this will suffice so long as a parts supply can be created to keep it serviceable, similar to Merlins and P&W's flying today, as accepted by the FAA. Also, the Planes of Fame resurrected the world's only Sakae engine for their Zero, and it flys at least several times a year. A much simpler engine for sure thats not that much different from a US made radial, unlike a Sabre! But this may be our closest pardigm, to my knowledge. Any others out there? Napiers are very complex, but even Ferrari can provide new vintage style engine blocks cast from scratch for older car restorations as an addtion to the original series sequence number. Vintage Ferrari's cost as much as a Mustang. Rhetorically speaking, would the world's only flying Napier engined Tempest be worth more than a Mustang? It may be worth more in Britain.. :) As others have noted here, money and inspiration makes it happen, but thats up to Mr. Weeks. I wonder what a discussion between Mr. Weeks and The Vintage Aviator regarding SA-I (EJ693) would sound like?
http://thevintageaviator.co.nz/projects ... f1a-engine


All very interesting and valid points. It might be costly, but worth while to have at least one running Napier Sabre and as you said it worked with POF's Nakajima Sake.


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Even a ground running trailer engine would be nice to see.

Any one knows of one or one in the works ?


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The POF Sakae on their Zero is pretty simple, was reliable to start with, and some mounting flanges were close enough that USA parts bolted on. The same with the Carb. Steward Davis O/Hed the engine IIRC. I don't know how much has been done between the 70s and now.
The Napier is British to begin with and complex as a design.
Kinda Apples and Organges.
This would be an Experimental Category A/C so you could try to license with a lawn mower engine.
There is no FAA certification required unless it is a Standard Category A/C.
You have to prove it is safe to operate and expect a long list of restrictions in your Operating Limitations the FAA will give you.
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