Warbird Information Exchange

DISCLAIMER: The views expressed on this site are the responsibility of the poster and do not reflect the views of the management.
It is currently Sat Jun 07, 2025 2:47 pm

All times are UTC - 5 hours


Classic Wings Magazine WWII Naval Aviation Research Pacific Luftwaffe Resource Center
When Hollywood Ruled The Skies - Volumes 1 through 4 by Bruce Oriss


Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 61 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5  Next
Author Message
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Thu Mar 05, 2009 10:04 am 
Offline
2000+ Post Club
2000+ Post Club
User avatar

Joined: Mon Feb 13, 2006 9:42 pm
Posts: 2707
Location: NP, NJ, USA
Thanks for posting all of these pictures. You are doing some very impressive work.

_________________
Share your story: Rutgers Oral History Archive http://oralhistory.rutgers.edu/


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Wed Mar 11, 2009 2:56 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sun Jan 04, 2009 11:18 am
Posts: 39
Hi there,
Thanks for the positive comment TaDan.
Anyway nothing much (visual) really happened to work on Aero. Basically we turned over the fuselage, so it is the right way up now, then the whole section from the rear cockpit bulkhead to the tailbay was cleaned up. This took the form of me spending several days in the fuselage removing goo and sanding up inside. Great fun I tell you. BUT the fuselage is in away better shape then we expected. We planned to deskin the top side of the fuselage, but this now is not really necessary. I will post more picture on Friday on how we defectated the fuselage and what will have to be done to rectify it.
But for now, I decided to post only a few macro view, since all of the images so far were a bit detail orientated.
This is the firewall frame of the fuselage looking backwards. You can see the new bottom skins and framing.

Image

This is roughly the aft cockpit. You can again see the new skins. Also a glimpse is posibille inside the sanded fuselage.


Image

And this is aproximatly the rear seat position looking forward. As you can see there was also a scarfed repair on the instrument panel. Also the whole fuselage is now sanded down ready for application of paint. But we have to varnish the inside of the new skins first.

Image

As said not much of a visual progress, but we are working on the thing as hard as other projects allow.
Kindest regards
Saso


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Wed Mar 11, 2009 3:13 pm 
Offline
3000+ Post Club
3000+ Post Club

Joined: Fri Sep 17, 2004 9:33 pm
Posts: 4707
Location: refugee in Pasa-GD-dena, Texas
Again Saso, thanks for the update! When you say varnish what are you using? What kind of glue are you using?

_________________
He bowls overhand...He is the most interesting man in the world.
"In Peace Japan Breeds War", Eckstein, Harper and Bros., 3rd ed. 1943(1927, 1928,1942)
"Leave it to ol' Slim. I got ideas...and they're all vile, baby." South Dakota Slim
"Ahh..."The Deuce", 28,000 pounds of motherly love." quote from some Mojave Grunt
DBF


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Wed Mar 11, 2009 3:45 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sun Jan 04, 2009 11:18 am
Posts: 39
Hi there airnutz,
For glue we use a combination of things. But on this aircraft we have used for now only the Aerodux resorcinol glue.
For varnish we have been using Synteko alkyd varnish with much sucess, since we have done a few natural wood finishes on aircraft and so far experience had showed that is has very good chemical and mechanical properties. As the thing is semi-gloss after two coats adhesion to paint coat is good.
After a few coats it becomes gloss. Here is a nice effect on a Staaken aircraft fuselage. We painted the logo a bit thick, so the reflection under the gloss coat is good.

Image


Kindest regards


Last edited by aereform on Sat Apr 25, 2009 2:20 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Mar 17, 2009 1:47 pm 
Offline
1000+ Posts!
1000+ Posts!
User avatar

Joined: Thu Aug 03, 2006 12:34 pm
Posts: 1275
Location: Houston, TX
Magnificent work!!!
:drink3:

SPANNER

_________________
Support Your Local Warbirds! KBO!
The only reasons the airplanes matter is what the veterans did with them... and why.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Dirt, grime and sweat
PostPosted: Sun Mar 29, 2009 6:35 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sun Jan 04, 2009 11:18 am
Posts: 39
Hi there,
This post can be entitled as the dirt, grime, sweat and goo of aircraft restoration.
Here is the why:
Our aircraft is a representative of an airframe that has been built quite well, by Utva Pancevo (now Serbia), but has deteriorated during each of the major overhauls it underwent.
One small thing that wasn't really an airworthiness issue was the use of really bad quality paint
Here you can see the inside of the fuselage behind the the throtle/mixture quadrant and the flap lever.

Image

You can also see that the original cockpit colouring was a bit lighter, bluish shade of grey. This is also evident inside the prototype in Zagreb technical museum. Since we want to return the aircraft to stock 1962-1965 condition, this top coat had to be removed. The point was that it had to be removed in quite detailed fashion, due to the fear that the new paint will simply chip away with the bad one.
Therefore the past days were spent sanding away the fuselage.
Here is a portion behind the instrument panel. The left side is not sanded, but the right one is:

Image

One thing that is also done at this stage is the removal of the cracked glue beads. The glue is about 50 years old and still has very good mechanical properties, except the fact that for some reason the beads crack and chip.

Image

The biggest bonus of this huge effort of sanding down the whole fuselage is the fact that during this process, you really inspect every portion of the fuselage in minute detail.
These are the mistakes you find (a few centimeters of skin-to-cockpit half frame separated)

Image

These are only the debris from cleaning up ''the last few'' glue joints at the instrument panel forward area.

Image

And here is the fuselage finished. Note the bluish shade of gray:

Image

But the worst part of this job actually happened inside the aft fuselage behind the cockpit.
First of all we were a bit suspicius about a few gussets in the frames and we removed them. Some of them were indeed necessary to remove, but most not. This crappy image shows the fuselage looking aft toward the tailgear bay.

Image

Then the whole fuselage was cleaned and sanded. We will also add some strengtening blocks to the frame-longeron connection, but the structural work was a lot less, then first expected.
The biggest problem was the fact that there is no room to work in the fuselage. Here is a picture of Marko removing one of the frame gusets. All work is done from the wrist, which is very tiring. This and eyesight is one reason why I personally belive that restoration shops with younger guys have an edge above the ones run by gents in their sixties.

Image

So, what now. First we have to finish the remaining sanding of the aft fuselage. Then we have to rectify the compression damage to the airframe due to overtorging the fittings bolts like this:

Image

or this:

Image

In the meantime I am also working on the fuel system. The fuel tanks were cleaned externally and the innards were video-scoped. No corrosion present, but one is very, very dirty. One the tank, you can also see all of the aluminium L-sections that go inside the station, which were cleaned, nicks polished off and are now ready for plating. Finding a shop that plates in this green shade was also a huge problem.

Image

And there you have it! A huge amount of work, for almost no visual result.
Dirt, grime, sweat and goo of aircraft restoration


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sun Mar 29, 2009 10:45 am 
Offline

Joined: Wed Oct 01, 2008 7:01 pm
Posts: 186
Location: Sonoma, California
The owner of the Aero-3 that can be seen on display in the Oakland Air Museum in Oakland, California wants to sell the airplane. It needs a good annual inspection, but otherwise is basically flyable. If anyone is interested, PM me, and I will put you in contact with him.

_________________
Fly low. Fly slow, Fly safe.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sat Apr 25, 2009 2:18 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sun Jan 04, 2009 11:18 am
Posts: 39
Hi guys,
Long time no work from our side, but here it goes:
There has been a lot of work done inside the fuselage. Several frames were checked, gussets and corner blocks made, residue glue taken off and old paint sanded. I wanted to take a few images, but they turned out crap. However, during this week we will move the fuselage to the assembly hall, where the light is much better and I hope to grab a few decent images of it there.
But here is what was done on the outside.
Compression damage was rectified (see image of the same area in the above post)

Image

Details were sorted out. This is a drain hole with the metal tube grommet. Impossibille to clean due to oil.

Image

Sanded off new ones installed all along the fuselage. Grommets will go in after fabric covering.

Image

The whole fuselage was then leveled. This is done with epoxy with microbalon filler. This mixture is lighter then your avarage bondo by a significant factor. The object of filler is not to level the plane and make it as streamlined as it were made of glass, but merely to dampen the transitions where the skin hits a former or a longeron. Filler is used to draw out this small radius to a large one and therefore make it less noticable and the shape more streamlied. This is also how it was done originally. Check out one of the first images I posted on this forum.

Image

More details taken care off. New ''lift here'' block and a scarfed repair of a broken off inspection hole rim.

Image

Another angle:

Image

You can see that we are fitting the last tail plywood plate. This one will finish our work on the fuselage. But we have to varnish and paint the inards first.
This image shows the plate from another angle. We are tailoring it around the various fitting. The ones installed are for forward attachment points for vertical stabilizer.

Image

The big hole above is where the elevator control rod is conected to the elevator.

Work on fuel system is progressing. The epoxy for the fuel gauge float was cracking around the attachment, so I removed the coat and applied new one.

Image

Also the brake cylinders were disasemble, cleaned and new rubber parts were manufactured. I am considering replating them.

Image

I hope we will be able to start fabric covering this week. So, stay tuned. Another up-date will follow shortly.
Kindest regards
Saso


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Thu Apr 30, 2009 10:05 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sun Jan 04, 2009 11:18 am
Posts: 39
Hello,
Here is what we managed to get done this week.
First we finished the fuselage tailplate.
Here you can see the empenage fittings sticking out of the plate:

Image

And here are the carefully tailored slots for these fittings.

Image

The tailbay was then painted and some interior fitting already installed in position.

Image

The inside of the tailplate was varnished:

Image

and this was taken today:

Image

you can see it installed, glued and trimmed. What we have to do now is to sand the second coat of filler applied on the topside of the fuselage and move it into the assembly hall for fabric work. Fun times ahead. The wood guys are moving back to the center section.
Kindest regards
Saso

Edit: forgot to post an image!


Last edited by aereform on Thu Apr 30, 2009 11:59 am, edited 1 time in total.

Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Thu Apr 30, 2009 11:44 am 
Offline
3000+ Post Club
3000+ Post Club

Joined: Fri Sep 17, 2004 9:33 pm
Posts: 4707
Location: refugee in Pasa-GD-dena, Texas
Beautiful craftsmanship...keep the updates coming brother! :D

_________________
He bowls overhand...He is the most interesting man in the world.
"In Peace Japan Breeds War", Eckstein, Harper and Bros., 3rd ed. 1943(1927, 1928,1942)
"Leave it to ol' Slim. I got ideas...and they're all vile, baby." South Dakota Slim
"Ahh..."The Deuce", 28,000 pounds of motherly love." quote from some Mojave Grunt
DBF


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Aero 3
PostPosted: Mon May 04, 2009 11:52 am 
Offline

Joined: Tue Feb 20, 2007 12:31 pm
Posts: 36
Location: Weeks Aircraft
We have a Aero 3 in our collection for sale any interest ?

Paul Stecewycz
Weeks Aircraft


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue May 05, 2009 2:07 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sun Jan 04, 2009 11:18 am
Posts: 39
Hi guys,

Well, it looks like that several aero-3 aircraft are for sale at the moment. If anyone is interested in us doing the restoration, we would be very happy to consider it.
So according to airnuts - here are more images. We are tyding up things before the application of glue and fabric. The shop where most of the work had taken place during this time is being cleaned of dust and bits of goo, so therefore the fuselage is in the assembly hall, where the last touch-ups are carried out.

Image

On the image above you can see the engine bearer fittings are temporary on the aircraft. This is done because the plywood gussets underneath were built from scratch and I wanted to check if the corner radius fits and the holes line-up.

Image

This was also done with the tail surfaces fittings. The plywood plate was tailored beforehand, but I wanted to make a last fit before fabric. Corrections like the one in the below image were made. This one shown is the thinning of the plywood by one layer, so that the fitting now aligns with the holes in the fuselage.

Image

Also the fuselage and the filler was sanded one last time and this is the result. Quite impossibille to take a picture to show what ones hand feels when running over the now much smoother fuselage. But it does show where the filler was applied.

Image

Some very, very small details to work out, then we will paint the inside and start the fabric work. Great times ahead.
Kindest regards
Saso


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Wed May 06, 2009 8:07 am 
Offline
2000+ Post Club
2000+ Post Club
User avatar

Joined: Mon Feb 13, 2006 9:42 pm
Posts: 2707
Location: NP, NJ, USA
Thanks for the update Saso. I have really enjoyed watching your progress.

_________________
Share your story: Rutgers Oral History Archive http://oralhistory.rutgers.edu/


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sun Jun 21, 2009 11:12 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sun Jan 04, 2009 11:18 am
Posts: 39
Hi guys,
It has been awfuly quiet in this part of the forum for a while. So today a few pictures from us.
To put it in short form, we painted the inside of the fuselage, fabric covered it and now we are working on a few subassemblies like the tailwheel etc, while the wood crew is hacking away (and I do mean it) on the center section.
I will try to put together a new post for centersection, but here is the work on the fuselage so far.
With my new DSLR camera I was finally able to get some good image on the work done inside the rear fuselage:

Image

You can see the extent of the cleaning process. Each glue joint was cleaned up, revision coat of paint removed, the original paint layer rubbed down and finally everything was varnished in preparation for the top coat.
Here is the image of the front fuselage with the masking tape already applied in preparation for the inside spray coat:

Image

And here you can see it already applied. When searching for the images of the paint job I realised I don't have any more, so I will try to make a mense in the future. But it is looking splendid.

Image

After that, there were no more excuses and fabric was laid on. It was done to original pattern of covering with the overlaps that were recorded when removing the fabric now some three years back.

Image

The following images are just some details of the job:

Image


Image


Image


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 1:01 pm 
Offline
1000+ Posts!
1000+ Posts!
User avatar

Joined: Thu Aug 03, 2006 12:34 pm
Posts: 1275
Location: Houston, TX
Thanks again for posting your beautiful work on this project.

SPANNER

_________________
Support Your Local Warbirds! KBO!
The only reasons the airplanes matter is what the veterans did with them... and why.


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 61 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5  Next

All times are UTC - 5 hours


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 6 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group