Tue May 05, 2009 10:00 am
muddyboots wrote:Mudge wrote::lol:![]()
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"Nigsy". The PC crowd strikes again.
Mudge the PC...yeah...right
Mudge, you gotta be kidding me. The word is unacceptable now, and was then.
Would you allow the word c*nt to be used in a movie that would be widely seen by millions, among them impressionable young children? How about c*cks*ck*r? I sure wouldn't, least in a PG movie.
Foul language raises the movie's ratings. It's not a PC ism. It's simply avoiding foul language in order to allow the movie to be viewed by a wider audience. Which I applaud.
you thought you'd lost me, dintcha?
Tue May 05, 2009 10:06 am
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Tue May 05, 2009 2:17 pm
CH2Tdriver wrote:At the least I hope that he would use BBMF, CWH or Just Jane for engine starting and taxi shots.
Tue May 05, 2009 3:15 pm
Tue May 05, 2009 3:17 pm
muddyboots wrote:Mudge wrote::lol:![]()
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"Nigsy". The PC crowd strikes again.
Mudge the PC...yeah...right
Mudge, you gotta be kidding me. The word is unacceptable now, and was then.
Tue May 05, 2009 8:13 pm
Wed May 06, 2009 5:25 am
Ethan wrote:Are any real lancasters going to be in the film?
Wed May 06, 2009 5:48 am
Wed May 06, 2009 6:41 am
Earlier variants (such as neger or negar) derive from the Spanish/Portuguese word negro, meaning "black", and probably also the French nègre, which has also been used pejoratively (but also positively as in Négritude), derived from negro (the ordinary French word for "black" being noir). Both negro and noir (and therefore also nègre and nigger) ultimately come from nigrum, the accusative form of the Latin word niger (pronounced [ˈniger], like "knee-ger" with the final r being trilled), simply meaning "black".
In Colonial America, negars was used in 1619 by John Rolfe, describing slaves shipped to Virginia colony.[5] Neger (sometimes spelled "neggar") also prevailed in northern New York under the Dutch and also in Philadelphia, in its Moravian and Pennsylvania Dutch communities. For example, the African Burial Ground in New York City was originally known as "Begraafplaats van de Neger" (Dutch phrase meaning "Cemetery of the negro" in English).
In the United States the word nigger was not always considered derogatory,[citation needed] but was instead used by many as merely denotative of black skin, as it was in other parts of the English-speaking world. In nineteenth-century literature, there are many uses of the word nigger with no intended negative connotation. Charles Dickens, and Joseph Conrad (who published The Nigger of the 'Narcissus' in 1897) used the word without racist intent. Mark Twain often put the word into the mouths of his characters, white and black, but did not use the word when writing as himself in his autobiographical Life on the Mississippi.
In the United Kingdom and other parts of the English-speaking world, the word was often used to refer to darker skinned peoples colonized by the British Empire, or merely to darker-skinned foreigners in general; in his 1926 Modern English Usage, H. W. Fowler observed that when the word was applied to "others than full or partial negroes," it was "felt as an insult by the person described, & betrays in the speaker, if not deliberate insolence, at least a very arrogant inhumanity." The note was excised from later editions of the book.
In the 1800s, as "nigger" began to acquire pejorative connotations, the term "colored" gained popularity as an alternative to "negro" and associated terms. For example, abolitionists in Boston, Massachusetts posted warnings to "Colored People of Boston and vicinity." The name of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People reflects the preference for this term at the time of the NAACP's founding in 1909.
Southern dialect in many parts of the southern United States changes the pronunciation of "Negro" to "nigra" (used most famously by Lyndon B. Johnson, a proponent of civil rights during the later portion of his political career). In the early editions of his dictionary, Noah Webster suggested the new spelling of neger for "Negro".[6]
Black became the preferred term in English in the late 1960s, and this continues to the present day. In the United States this has been displaced to some extent by African American, at least in politically correct usage, though this blanket term does not accurately describe those from other African nations such as Morocco; this resembles the term Afro-American that was in vogue in the early 1970s. Nevertheless, black continues in widespread use as a racial designation in the United States and is rarely regarded as offensive.
Today the word is often spelled nigga or niggah, in imitation of the manner in which some pronounce it. (Less-common variants are nigguh or even nikuh.) Other variations, designed to avoid the term itself, include nookah, reggin, nukka, nagger and the much older "jigger."[citation needed]
G - General Audiences All ages admitted. No nudity, no drugs, minimal violence, and limited use of language that goes beyond polite conversation.
PG - Parental Guidance Suggested Some material may not be suitable for children. May have mild violence and/or action, mild language and sexual references, brief nudity, intense images, sexual themes, crude humor or very mild drug references.
PG-13 - Parents Strongly Cautioned Some material may be inappropriate for children under 13. May contain moderate language, minimal strong language, some explicit nudity, intense violence, gore, or mild drug content.
R - Restricted Under 17 requires accompanying parent or adult guardian. May contain very strong language or strong sexual emphasis, strong explicit nudity, strong violence and gore, or strong drug content.
NC-17 - No One 17 and Under Admitted May contain very strong sexual or offensive language, strong explicit nudity, very strong gore or disturbing violence, or graphic drug abuse. Films with this rating are usually edited for an "R"
Wed May 06, 2009 7:46 am
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Wed May 06, 2009 8:31 am
Glyn wrote:muddyboots wrote:Mudge wrote: "Nigsy". The PC crowd strikes again.
Mudge, you gotta be kidding me. The word is unacceptable now, and was then.
I hope Mudge the Magnificent lets me answer this. You are completely wrong there, my (young?) friend. The N word was not used in a perjorative way , only a descriptive way until comparitively recent times. When I was young I had a cast-iron N word moneybox. It was the name of a particular shade of brown in knitting wool and it appeared on the tins of brown shoe polish. The word has become an insulting term and as such I no longer use it but let's not get carried away. In the UK (which has also seen large scale post war immigration) a no-no word is Paki. You could cause a riot if you used it, yet it only an abreviation of 'Pakistani'. As the name of the country means (in their language of Urdu) 'Land of the Pure' they are objecting to being called pure! The world is quite surreal enough without needing the PC crowds input.
Wed May 06, 2009 8:37 am