Indonesian Warbirds (and Hi from Jakarta)

[Michel Lemieux]

Welcome aboard...

Mansyu 79....impressive what is to be found still out there....

As found on Mikael site: http://www.preservedaxisaircraft.com/



A bit closer found on a blog: http://kekerachmad.multiply.com/photos/album/61/Museum_Satria_Mandala

Just follow the link : http://kekerachmad.multiply.com/photos/hi-res/61/8?xurl=http%3A%2F%2Fkekerachmad.multiply.com%2Fphotos%2Falbum%2F61%2FMuseum_Satria_Mandala%238

[airnutz]

Hi again Aseanaero. I was curious, when time allows would you have a look at the following thread concerning the
Bukittinggi Anson(?) RI-003 memorial? The whatizzits has had a number of us scratching our heads for a few years.
Any of your museum or IAF contacts memories of the details of this pole bird would certainly be appreciated.
http://warbirdinformationexchange.org/p ... ukittinggi

[aseanaero]

Any of your museum or IAF contacts memories of the details of this pole

Many of these aircraft have been renumbered , the guys that really know have retired 20 yrs ago and getting accurate data is difficult.

I don't know anyone at the musuem yet , I've been there once and the regular guys are busy rebuilding an air force after 10 yrs of embargoes.

If this comes off as being neagtive it's not meant to be , just realistic. There is better research and documentation on these monuments outside of Indonesia than from within. The fact that there isn't much detail on Indonesian aircaft isn't an accident , that's the way they like it. Even the museum exhibits just show basic aircraft data not service or aircraft histories.

The other fact that most people in the US wouldn't realise is that the ex Indo Mustangs have probably served in combat against rebels. Again there will be little documentation available on these actions.

If I come across info that can solve some of these questions I'll post it.

[aseanaero]

Mansyu 79....impressive what is to be found still out there....

I think this is the aircraft parked behind the Mustang from a different angle

Where do I find the data plate on the Mustang ?

[steve dickey]

Mansyu 79....impressive what is to be found still out there....

I think this is the aircraft parked behind the Mustang from a different angle

Where do I find the data plate on the Mustang ?

Tony, you'll have to open the canopy somehow and that may be frowned upon . If you do manage to get it open if its not frozen from all the rain ect.. The way to do it is on the RH side there is a button just under the side window, push that and with your other hand push back on the top of the canopy. If you can get it open enough for your hand to reach in and crank the canopy crank it might work. If you get that far you'll want to turn the crank "aft" to bring the canopy back.
There are two tags one each side of the cockpit wall near the canopy rails, the one on the left will be the manufactures plate and the one on the right the Army Aircorps tag, see below:





More than likely those tag have long been "liberated" but you might get lucky. The one on the right to look for is the second from the rear, the left one is above the word "guns" Good luck

[aseanaero]

I last saw this Mustang F-347 a year ago, it's now undercover as they built a large awning over it and the other aircraft.

If I ask nice they will probably let me climb up on the wing and open the cockpit, let's see how it goes.

That Mustang cockpit is immaculate , looks like new

[BennoT6]

Hi,

Any pictures of this T-6 (or is it a Harvard) ?

I am interested in the serial (B-4xx ?) and location. All information is most welcome in this. Thanks in advance.

Regards,

Benno

[aseanaero]

Hi Benno

It's an AT-16 Harvard Mk2B , B-423 parked at the air base side of Halim airport , looking for a photo now

UPDATE : I can't find a photo already on the internet for this aircraft

Last edited by aseanaero on Tue Mar 10, 2009 8:53 pm, edited 1 time in total.

[BennoT6]

Hi,

Thanks. This one was active a couple of years ago. What about B-475 ? Haven't been able to identify this one. It's probably a Mk4 (?) or a composite that was bought on the civilian market a number of years ago. Very unlikely this one ever served with the Indonesian Air Force.

Regards,

Benno

[aseanaero]

There's another Harvard parked in the same area, I thought it was B-415 but it was in the distance so it could be B-475 , it's a high security area so I can't take photos there.

I'm under escort the whole time and there to do a specific task , detours aren't allowed so I haven't had a chance to look at B-475 (let's assume it's 475 for the moment). I also have to be careful what I write about and what photos I post as I am given a lot of access because I stick to the rules.

Geez Benno , you've done your homework.

I remember reading on the internet somewhere that at one point TNI-AU had 74 Harvards , with the ones on display plus these 2 that totals around 8 to 10. Where did all the others go ? Were they also bought by collectors in the 1980s ?

The ex Australian CAC Sabres were bought by Kermit Weeks and some are in the USA and one is in the old Czechoslakia. There's one airframe in Bandung , one on a pole in Pekanbaru and one in the Yogya museum, They originally had 13 I think.

Also where did the Indonesian Mig 17s go ? I was told that once again these were bought by dealers or collectors.

[airnutz]

Many of these aircraft have been renumbered , the guys that really know have retired 20 yrs ago and getting accurate data is difficult.

Ahh..I was afraid of that.

If this comes off as being neagtive it's not meant to be , just realistic. There is better research and documentation on these monuments outside of Indonesia than from within.

No not at all. We have well documented subjects from the 50's in the US but some information are a deadend over
60 years of time. RI-003 is a subject which comes up now and again in US, Brit, Aussie, NZ forums that I know of.
She is "neither fish nor fowl" in several details and folks are just curious.

Thanks for taking the time to look and reply!

[aseanaero]

RI-003 is a subject which comes up now and again in US, Brit, Aussie, NZ forums that I know of.

The REAL RI-003 was actually destroyed in combat by some Dutch P-40s or P-51s and killed some of the founders of the Indonesian Air Force

The mystery Anson has been renumbered to commemorate RI-003

It could very well be using parts from different types aircraft , they work on a limited budget for these displays and will use whatever comes to hand if a part is missing.

[aseanaero]

The second Harvard is B-475 ... I just checked.

Both B-423 and B-475 are potential flyers. They are still saveable with a bit of work.

[airnutz]

RI-003 is a subject which comes up now and again in US, Brit, Aussie, NZ forums that I know of.

The REAL RI-003 was actually destroyed in combat by some Dutch P-40s or P-51s and killed some of the founders of the Indonesian Air Force

The mystery Anson has been renumbered to commemorate RI-003

It could very well be using parts from different types aircraft , they work on a limited budget for these displays and will use whatever comes to hand if a part is missing.

True as to the REAL RI-003, but as mentioned in the threadlink I posted earlier there has been some speculation
that parts of the original 003 may have been a basis in part for the monument and gawd-knows-whut-else
compose the rest. Truly only answers the old-timers, their friends or documentation of the period could answer.
Elements which seem to be currently in short supply.

[aseanaero]

I am meeting with the engineer that looks after all the radial engined aircraft that remains in TNI-AU inventory and he is a bit of a historic aviation buff , I'll ask him.