CAF F-82 update

[Zachary]

Give it a rest Chris, please ?

Now wait just a minute - Chris has every right to state his opinions, just as you do Rick. This thread is starting to get a bit personal methinks.

Zack

[Mark_Pilkington]

Wow, do you know something I don't? Because it is not "Plain and Simple" that it belongs to the AF... In fact I would say otherwise.......... .

The above is not addressed to myself, and I am not affiliated with the NMUSAF or CAF, but it seems pretty "Plain and Simple" to me that the aircraft belongs to the AF as defined by the recent court case, and will remain so unless there is a successful appeal case, regardless of whoever says otherwise.


It seems to me there is an "Us & Them" attitude rapidly developing in regards to supporters of the NMUSAF by some supporters of the CAF

Over an issue none of those here are responsible for, or can change. - such attitudes are pointless, and unflattering.

The CAF headquarters have clearly chosen not to appeal the decision, regardless of their acceptance of it being correct or not, and the best outcome is now for the CAF and NMUSAF relationship to be healed so that innovative arrangements might be explored to allow the CAF to retain and operate the F-82 on the NMUSAF's behalf?

The best interests of the CAF, nor the F-82 are NOT being well served by people openly "throwing fuel" on an already "burning bridge" of the CAF/NMUSAF relationship in a public forum, or attacking volunteers associated with the NMUSAF? or even NMUSAF management.

I personally support the NMUSAF taking its action if it honestly feels it owns the aircraft, (I would expect a National Museum in Australia to pursue return of their owned aircraft on behalf of taxpayers and their own charter).

I equally support the CAF defending its view if it honestly believed the aircraft had been donated. (and would expect any volunteer museum in Australia to do so as well).

If discussion and negotiation between the parties failed to resolve that, an independent court is the best and only place to resolve the competing claims, both parties obviously felt strongly enough in regard to their claims to defend them in court.

The history and documentation is perhaps cloudy and ambigious, but the two entities have had their day in court, and a judgement given on the facts presented.

That judgement clearly awards ownership to the AF, it is plain and simple, and while its also clear many are not happy with that decision, it doesnt change the result.

No amount of personal opinion, aggressive posts or even personal attacks in this forum will change that outcome, and may in fact damage any future prospects of the aircraft remaining in the care of CAF or being permitted to fly.

I personally feel there has been enough venting in this thread and it should cease, as it really is counter productive.

Regards

Mark Pilkington

Last edited by Mark_Pilkington on Mon Feb 09, 2009 9:33 pm, edited 1 time in total.

[RickH]

No Zack, its not getting personal at all. i know Chris has a right to his opinions like everyone else. I'm just trying to help him see the light !

I just worry about him, those other folks keep filling his glass up with Koolaid !

[mustangdriver]

No Zack, its not getting personal at all. i know Chris has a right to his opinions like everyone else. I'm just trying to help him see the light !

I just worry about him, those other folks keep filling his glass up with Koolaid !

OK!!!! I am laughing now. Good one man.

[mustangdriver]

Plain and simple, the airplane belongs to the AF, if they do not want it to fly; then it should not fly. The AF is just trying to preserve their own history, I would think most people would be able to get on board with that.

Wow, do you know something we don't? Because it is not "Plain and Simple" that it belongs to the AF... In fact I would say otherwise. I see you have only one post here on WIX... why don't you introduce yourself and your affiliation with warbirds or the NMUSAF? I would be interested in what you know that obviously none of us do...

I know him, he is one of the main reasons "909" is still flying. He is one of the people that got me into warbirds.

[mustangdriver]

Guys for the reord I mean nothing personal on this, I hope no one took any of it that way. I guess I just feel different or have different views than others.