P-51 N210D

sledge39 · **Joined:** Thu Jun 29, 2006 1:01 pm **Posts:** 262

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...anouther from the 70's......Chino, 14 June 1971...

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Django · **Posted:** Mon Feb 09, 2009 2:56 pm

It's a really nice postwar scheme. I like it. It's hard for me to admit that, being that it does have that extra stripe in the national insignia...

Those civie schemes look pretty good, but personally, I would never want to see one restored/repainted into a civie scheme.

Lynn Allen · **Posted:** Mon Feb 09, 2009 3:44 pm

Brad wrote:

T J Johansen wrote:

After Deahl's demise in P-38 N6961 the fuselage was sold and ended up being used as "Gunfighter II" 44-73264 N5428V.
T J

Anybody have any pictures of "Gunfighter" after the crash? I've only seen pictures during the restoration and after. The original paint job is still one of my favorites on a P-51.

Back in the camo days?? If so, I'll dig them up for you...

Lynn

Lynn Allen · **Posted:** Mon Feb 09, 2009 3:44 pm

steve dickey wrote:

Lynn Allen wrote:

Nice to see the Garmin 696 in use..... :wink:

Did you ask the questions???

Lynn

What was I supposed to ask? :wink:

Always.....

Lynn

Lynn Allen · **Posted:** Mon Feb 09, 2009 3:46 pm

JimH wrote:

These were taken this past December...

jim

Jim, you look right at home....

Lynn

dhartney · **Joined:** Fri Sep 02, 2011 12:33 am **Posts:** 1

sledge39 wrote:

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....Chino...local...May, 1972...

...pilot...Joe Hartney...

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This is a photo of my father, Joe Hartney, flying his 'baby'. I rode with him many times after he had a second seat installed. I was 6 months pregnant with my 4th child the last time I flew in it.
While I went to college in Chico, CA, he would fly from San jose and pick me up and we would stop at the Nut Tree for lunch and then home to San jose. One of those times we returned to the plane after eating and a couple had driven their car up to the plane and were climbing all over it... she in her high heels!! He ran up and jumped on top of their car and started yelling at them while stomping all over their hood. I thought we were going to end up in a fist fight, but they drove off as fast as they could while he flung expletives at them! :lol:

I have a copy of this photo made into a poster size and framed. He was happiest when flying.
Dona Hartney Walling

airnutz · **Posted:** Fri Sep 02, 2011 2:27 am

dhartney wrote:

....had driven their car up to the plane and were climbing all over it... she in her high heels!! He ran up and jumped on top of their car and started yelling at them while stomping all over their hood.

Hilarious Dona!! Welcome To WIX!

John Dupre · **Posted:** Fri Sep 02, 2011 10:01 am

I noticed how on the blue stripe over the exhaust stacks it appears the stacks are not eqally in line with the edges of the stripe. It looks like the stacks angle slightly downward from back to front. I have never noticed this before. Is the thrust line of the engine angled slightly downward from the airframe center line? Is the thrust line also offset as viewed from above?

These are common design cues on current light aircraft in order to compensate for torque and "P" factor making an aircraft easier to fly.

makin' boost · **Posted:** Fri Sep 02, 2011 7:47 pm

I think the civilian paint is very attractive, I'm like'n it ...............................

The Inspector · **Posted:** Fri Sep 02, 2011 8:27 pm

If the speed stripe ran parallel to the top of the exhaust it would get odd looking towards the back as it would climb the aft fuselage and slam into the leading edge of the horizontal stab (place a straight edge on the picture to visualize) so it's an artistic thing rather than have people asking about why the paint job is crooked. Engine installations normally are designed front end slightly down and usually a degree or two offset to the right (or left for left hand turning engines) to counteract torque and aerodynamic pressures that want to lift the nose in level flight.
The entire vertical stab on an AD SKYRAIDER is noticably offset to counteract the engine/prop torque but most all larger verticals have some degree of offset to counteract propeller torque. If not, then a solid metal trim tab is installed to feed in some cancelling reaction like on light planes. The Bf-109 had one side of the vertical flatter than the other to counteract prop torque. 727 vertical trim was always set @ 1 to 1 1/4 degree right (and left that way) to cancel out fishtailing.

51fixer · **Posted:** Fri Sep 02, 2011 9:10 pm

The Inspector wrote:

Engine installations normally are designed usually a degree or two offset to the right (or left for left hand turning engines) to counteract torque

Neither the P-51, T-6 or Spitfire have the engine offset to either side of the centerline, R or L. At least not intentionally. None of the blue prints for the T-6 or P-51 I have show this that I remember.
I have seen issues with how straight an engine is mounted but it is either a rebuilder issue or worn out Lord Mounts typically.
The Spitfire doesn't have an Offset in the Vertical that I'm aware of. I'll look close at it the next time I'm at the hangar. If it is like the rest of the airframe then some of the parts used in the tailcone and Vertical are the same as those used in Merlin powered versions. The Griffon and Merlin turn opposite from each other.

The Inspector · **Posted:** Fri Sep 02, 2011 10:53 pm

Don't believe I said Spitfire and it certainly wouldn't fit into 'larger aircraft' category. And even jet engine mount designs have a very slight cant designed into the manufacturing process.

JDK · **Posted:** Sat Sep 03, 2011 5:01 am

Offsets: The Bloch MB 152 had an engine canted several degrees to the port, evident in the oval front edge to the cowl in properly drawn profiles. The Seagull V / Walrus had the engine pod and engine canted a couple of degrees for the same reason, very notable with different angle and length struts holding it mid-wing. The Hurricane had an offset fin and rudder.

http://themekgpproject.com/_posted_file ... 152_3v.jpg

We discussed the 109 tail here before - an aerodynamic airfoil section was built in from (IIRC) the E or F model onward.

The Griffon Spitfire in particular has a very notable downward cant to the engine, IIRC, but I'll defer to 51fixer on that!

Love the civvie scheme, Dona.

Tulio · **Joined:** Mon May 03, 2004 1:05 am **Posts:** 3236

My copy of the Guatemalan Air Force's "Escuadron Cuervos" [Crows Squadron - flying the F-51D Mustang] shows the checklist before take-off, as follows:

3. Trim Tabs: RE-CHECK (Rudder 6 deg Right) aileron 0 deg., and elevator 0 deg.)

The same setting for the rudder (6 deg. right), is indicated for landing.

Saludos,

Tulio

T J Johansen · **Posted:** Thu Sep 15, 2011 7:51 am

dhartney wrote:

This is a photo of my father, Joe Hartney, flying his 'baby'. I rode with him many times after he had a second seat installed. I was 6 months pregnant with my 4th child the last time I flew in it.
While I went to college in Chico, CA, he would fly from San jose and pick me up and we would stop at the Nut Tree for lunch and then home to San jose. One of those times we returned to the plane after eating and a couple had driven their car up to the plane and were climbing all over it... she in her high heels!! He ran up and jumped on top of their car and started yelling at them while stomping all over their hood. I thought we were going to end up in a fist fight, but they drove off as fast as they could while he flung expletives at them! :lol:

I have a copy of this photo made into a poster size and framed. He was happiest when flying.
Dona Hartney Walling

Tried sending you a PM.

T J

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