Preserved but where

Mgawa · **Posted:** Sat Nov 22, 2008 11:36 am

I don't know where this images are taken, all I know it is post war images. Any additional info?

Holedigger · **Posted:** Sat Nov 22, 2008 11:42 am

The 109 is from this one I believe

http://www.adlertag.de/heute/static.htm

The probably oldest, displayed Bf 109 is shown at Deutsches Museum in Munich. This plane (serial number 790) was produced in 1939 and was flown by the 2./J88 in Spain, carrying the code "6 o 106". After the Spanish Civile War, the Bf 109 was left in Spain and was used by the Spanish airforce. Until 1954 it was used by many fighter squadrons.
Willy Messerschmitt, councelling Hispano Aviations, tried to transfer one Bf 109 to Germany, to show it at Deutsches Museum. The Spanics agreed and chose this plane, being in its original shape as last "Spanish" Bf 109. In 1960 the plane came to Munich, painted in the colors of JG 26. For the exhibition, it was recolored with the delivery colors and got the code "AJ+YH"
In 1974 it was again recolored. It now got the markings of a Bf 109, flown by Werner Mölders, during his time with the JG 51. A number of small openings were cut into the fuselage, providing a view of the interieurs of this plane.

Mgawa · **Posted:** Sat Nov 22, 2008 11:46 am

Very informative- thank you :razz:

Hope that i will also get info about the Me262.

Cheers

old iron · **Posted:** Sat Nov 22, 2008 11:48 am

Hello,

Me.262A.1 T2.4012 ultimately went to the Planes of Fame in California, presently in Washington state. Photo taken at Freeman Field?

Kevin,
.

Matt Gunsch · **Posted:** Sat Nov 22, 2008 2:55 pm

old iron wrote:

Hello,

Me.262A.1 T2.4012 ultimately went to the Planes of Fame in California, presently in Washington state. Photo taken at Freeman Field?

Kevin,
.

currently in England under going restoration to fly

Jesse C. · **Posted:** Sat Nov 22, 2008 2:58 pm

old iron wrote:

Hello,

Me.262A.1 T2.4012 ultimately went to the Planes of Fame in California, presently in Washington state. Photo taken at Freeman Field?

Kevin,
.

Photo was at the Air Museums first local on Route 66

This is supposed to be a flyer for the FHC, any updates?

F3A-1 · **Posted:** Sat Nov 22, 2008 8:26 pm

Having excavated several ME-262 parts and a few thousand other pounds of WWII German aviation, I can tell you that the photo is not Indiana! I suspect the above photo is in the Southwest US.

There is a link to the Freeman Field "dig" at my website.

Pirate Lex
http://www.BrewsterCorsair.com

The Inspector · **Posted:** Sun Nov 23, 2008 12:38 am

P. Allens ex PoF Me 262 is still in the UK being restored on the 'rivet of the quarter plan' thanks to Vulcans legal eagles signing a contract that stated 'notify when completed' "Arry, bring me that Barca Lounger and the REEEAALLY big bucket to milk this'un" :roll:

Mike · **Joined:** Tue May 04, 2004 8:54 am **Posts:** 3333

The Inspector wrote:

P. Allens ex PoF Me 262 is still in the UK being restored on the 'rivet of the quarter plan' thanks to Vulcans legal eagles signing a contract that stated 'notify when completed' "Arry, bring me that Barca Lounger and the REEEAALLY big bucket to milk this'un" :roll:

Again please, in English this time.

bdk · **Joined:** Sun May 02, 2004 1:16 am **Posts:** 11332

Jesse C. wrote:

Photo was at the Air Museums first local on Route 66

Yes, on Foothill Blvd. in Claremont near Cable Airport.

The Inspector · **Posted:** Sun Nov 23, 2008 2:48 am

Mike,
Play along with me now-sound it out (remember, the airframe is in England, also refered to as the UK) "Arry (Harry) bring me that Barca Lounger (recliner chair) and the Reeaally big (extremely large sized galvanized open topped fluid container with a folding lifting handle attached in most cases) bucket to milk this 'un (this one).'
In other words, Mr. Allen is hoist by his own petard* when it comes to getting his aircraft completed in any sort of timely manner due to the 'open ended, non specific time frame' contract (legal, binding agreement between two or more parties) his lawyers (-----------never mind that description) agreed on, in other words, the guys who are restoring the aircraft are taking their own sweet time completing it and thereby getting fair amounts of Mr. Allens more than sizeable fortune in return.

*petard, early, crude form of hand grenade know for it's unreliable burning fuse which could go off before the bearer could toss it at the intended target, therefore coining the phrase 'hoist by his own petard' :shock:

Are we good with that? :roll:

Mike · **Joined:** Tue May 04, 2004 8:54 am **Posts:** 3333

Hmmm, I have to say that recliner chairs or buckets were not very much in evidence when I visited JME's workshop a few weeks ago on my last trip to the UK. The workmanship on the project was evidently first-class, and there were some awkward engineering challenges to overcome due to the nature of the materials used (such as stainless steel) in the original manufacture.

I would think that the majority of the $ on this project will be going on the engines, rather than the airframe, in any case.

PS You could always ask Craig Charleston how much he managed to 'milk' from his contract with Mr Allen. You might be surprised at the answer.............

The Inspector · **Posted:** Sun Nov 23, 2008 3:30 am

.....any evidence of anyone breaking a sweat? Yes P.A. has put a grundle into making at least 2 004's airworthy and new modern materials in the engines, all for what is supposed to be about a 30 minute 'once around the patch' flight when everything is done and all here in Washington State, then dismantle, truck to KPAE and re-erect for permanent static display. Just like the DORA and Ki-43, way too rare and valuable to continue to fly.

warbird1 · **Joined:** Fri Sep 21, 2007 6:25 pm **Posts:** 2760

The Inspector wrote:

.....any evidence of anyone breaking a sweat? Yes P.A. has put a grundle into making at least 2 004's airworthy and new modern materials in the engines, all for what is supposed to be about a 30 minute 'once around the patch' flight when everything is done and all here in Washington State, then dismantle, truck to KPAE and re-erect for permanent static display. Just like the DORA and Ki-43, way too rare and valuable to continue to fly.

Do you know for sure that Mr. Allen is NOT going to fly the 262 other than one test hop? Why in the world would he want to ruin the originality and authenticity of the Jumo engines for a one time flight? That makes no sense to me. Given Mr. Allen's VERY strict standards for authenticity, why would he make such heavy modifications to the plane if it's just going to be static? Please help me understand this.

The Inspector · **Posted:** Sun Nov 23, 2008 7:02 pm

I cannot say for absolute certain that it will not be flown more than once, BUT, the stated policy @ the FHC from everyone involved is exactly the same as stated for the DORA and the Ki-43, far too valuable to risk in a rotating flying display setting, so it will fly once and then be parked. The reason for the rebuilding/ modernization of the JUMO 004's is the absolute distrust of 63 year old engines that were marginal when fresh out of the box, let alone after sitting around in less than ideal undocumented situations for that long.
Besides, think of the crowds a one time historic flight that will draw people from the entire planet to medium sized Moses Lake, WA. when it does fly- perhaps 262crew has some further inputs as he helps build the STORMBIRDS replica 262's-

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