Re: P-40
Sat Oct 25, 2008 11:56 am
Alan Brooks wrote: Anyway, this bird has seen the gulf waters in more ways than from the air and rain.
Alan
And yet we found VERY little corrosion!
I had heard stories about this P-40 sitting outside for years in a field in south TX. She's well cared for now!
Sat Oct 25, 2008 9:25 pm
I really like the new scheme. very unique to anything else out there. Here are a few shots of how she looked right after she was rolled out from being rebuilt at Vought
Sat Oct 25, 2008 11:03 pm
My friend 'Bear' Barricklow has been the crew chief on this bird for years, but I don't see him in the pictures...hope he's still involved with the P-40....he has been hoping for a repaint of the bird for years, I imagine he's happy as a lark right now....
Shot this pic of her over Breckenridge back in 95 or 96, Bear helped us set up the photo mission (thought I had some of just the -40 scanned in but guess not)....Steve Rister is riding in the SNJ in the foreground shooting video of her...
Glad to see the old gal get some well deserved TLC...
Mark
Shot this pic of her over Breckenridge back in 95 or 96, Bear helped us set up the photo mission (thought I had some of just the -40 scanned in but guess not)....Steve Rister is riding in the SNJ in the foreground shooting video of her...
Glad to see the old gal get some well deserved TLC...
Mark
Sun Oct 26, 2008 7:39 am
Im gonna be the critic here I guess...but another AVG scheme? 
Sun Oct 26, 2008 9:58 am
Not to hijack the thread, but does anyone have pictures of this plane when in service with the RCAF? And if so anyone have any pics of it in camo with the RCAF?
Thanks,
Jim
Thanks,
Jim
Sun Oct 26, 2008 1:12 pm
Nathan- It's always been a tribute to Tex... It will most likely stay that way.
L2- I believe this a/c was bare metal or silver with the RCAF... we have pictures somewhere, I'll try to find em.
L2- I believe this a/c was bare metal or silver with the RCAF... we have pictures somewhere, I'll try to find em.
Sun Oct 26, 2008 1:40 pm
Nathan wrote:Im gonna be the critic here I guess...but another AVG scheme?
That is what made the P-40 famous. Without the Flying Tigers the average person wouldn't know what a P-40 was. The CAF P-40 always had a big relationship with Tex hill himself, so I wouldn't expect anything but another AVG scheme. Besides the sharksmouth just looks cool on a P-40.
Sun Oct 26, 2008 1:52 pm
What i think has been done to the CAF P-40 is another step in the right direction. 
Now I wish Cavanaugh would do something similar.
Now I wish Cavanaugh would do something similar.
Sun Oct 26, 2008 1:55 pm
Warbird Kid wrote:What i think has been done to the CAF P-40 is another step in the right direction.
I agree. I think that the CAF has the right idea with some of the new paint shcemes and wokr being done.
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Sun Oct 26, 2008 2:32 pm
Ok but but now where's the gigantor like decal going to go 
Last edited by Jack Cook on Sun Oct 26, 2008 2:47 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Sun Oct 26, 2008 2:40 pm
Jack you made my day, I wasn't going to say anything about the Decal, but you did and now I can say..................where you going to put it and screw up a perfectly good paint job?
Sun Oct 26, 2008 7:51 pm
I'll find out where the CAF decal is going... I really don't think they're that bad. We are a brand.
Sun Oct 26, 2008 8:29 pm
I'm happy to see this rare Kittyhawk getting some TLC and emerging in great mechanical condition.
As to the paint, of course anyone can do what they want with their aircraft.
The paint colors are interesting. They tend to contradict the current conventional wisdom regarding the precise shades applied to AVG aircraft. Indeed, by strange coincidence, they look a lot like some of the most uneducated and wildly incorrect guesswork about camouflage colors that was applied to the first generation of military-painted warbirds back in the 1970s. (That, too, relied heavily on vets' recollections.) It could be that the CAF now has the most accurately painted AVG P-40, that the 1970s restorers had it right all along, and that a lot of dedicated research into AVG colors and markings needs to be reexamined based on these paint chips. Or it could be that the CAF botched it.
I'll be interested to hear how other colors-and-markings buffs react and to learn more about the research that went into it.
As for the propriety of AVG markings on a P-40N in the first place, I guess I'm solidly in the camp that will be outvoted by the majority who favor tribute over accuracy.
News flash. The average person DOESN'T know what a P-40 is, never has, never will, never should. The P-40 is NOT famous in that sense. This is strictly an issue among buffs.
August
As to the paint, of course anyone can do what they want with their aircraft.
The paint colors are interesting. They tend to contradict the current conventional wisdom regarding the precise shades applied to AVG aircraft. Indeed, by strange coincidence, they look a lot like some of the most uneducated and wildly incorrect guesswork about camouflage colors that was applied to the first generation of military-painted warbirds back in the 1970s. (That, too, relied heavily on vets' recollections.) It could be that the CAF now has the most accurately painted AVG P-40, that the 1970s restorers had it right all along, and that a lot of dedicated research into AVG colors and markings needs to be reexamined based on these paint chips. Or it could be that the CAF botched it.
I'll be interested to hear how other colors-and-markings buffs react and to learn more about the research that went into it.
As for the propriety of AVG markings on a P-40N in the first place, I guess I'm solidly in the camp that will be outvoted by the majority who favor tribute over accuracy.
mustangdriver wrote:That is what made the P-40 famous. Without the Flying Tigers the average person wouldn't know what a P-40 was.
News flash. The average person DOESN'T know what a P-40 is, never has, never will, never should. The P-40 is NOT famous in that sense. This is strictly an issue among buffs.
August
Sun Oct 26, 2008 8:30 pm
I know where I would like to put it.
Sun Oct 26, 2008 9:13 pm
k5083 wrote: Or it could be that the CAF botched it.
mustangdriver wrote:That is what made the P-40 famous. Without the Flying Tigers the average person wouldn't know what a P-40 was.
News flash. The average person DOESN'T know what a P-40 is, never has, never will, never should. The P-40 is NOT famous in that sense. This is strictly an issue among buffs.
August
August- First, with the amount of devotion and research that went into this aircraft to make it as close to an original AVG scheme as possible, I would hesitate to say the sponsors "Botched" it... I will try to get more detailed info on how the colors were chosen etc.
Second, I would agree with Mustangdrivers theory about the recognition of the P-40 through the AVG scheme. Many of my friends, who don't know an P-51 from a B-52, have asked about what planes my dad's flown. When I reply P-40, they ask what that is and when I tell them that it's the, "Airplane with the sharks teeth" the instantly know what aircraft I'm talking about. I would say that in an AVG scheme, the P-40 is one of the most widely recognized WWII aircraft around.