Barksdale B-24J

[mtpopejoy]

I will try and contact some fellow YAM members and see what they think and will try to bring it up at the next meeting!!!

[tulsaboy]

Scott-

The gun butt in happier days...

Wouldn't that have been fun?

kevin

[Dan Johnson II]

I can't see it as anything but a win-win for both the USAFM and YAM. A Ford built Lib, under cover and getting tender loving care back to flyable status, even if it doesn't fly.

What a shot in the arm for both museums and for the fast fading outdoor sitting B24.

[APG85]

You would think, but...

[Jerry O'Neill]

I can't see it as anything but a win-win for both the USAFM and YAM. A Ford built Lib, under cover and getting tender loving care back to flyable status, even if it doesn't fly.

What a shot in the arm for both museums and for the fast fading outdoor sitting B24.

You know, anything is possible with the "right" deal.

Just look at the B-24M from Lackland AFB. Did anyone ever think that that airframe wold leave Lackland?
Did anyone ever try to get that airframe before Duxford?

Obviously, somebody thought it was a good deal and all of a sudden it was gone to England!

I remember the YAM crying "foul", but had they ever made the attempt to get the aircraft before that and if they did, what was the offer?
Maybe it wasn't sweet enough or the right person was not in the right place.

Nothing would hurt from trying.
Heck, Lackland now has a fiberglass B-24, so why not offer up one or two of those to Dayton in exchange?

Jerry

[Steve Nelson]

From what I understand, the Lackland Lib was a trade. The Brits gave the NMUSAF a Spitfire (for a B-24?!) that had a USAAF combat history. I don't know if the Brits also footed the bill for the fiberglas replica.

Unfortunately, about the only thing the Yankees would be able to do would be offer cash..and I doubt they had enough. Don't get me wrong, I love the YAM, but they've always had limited resources (name a museum that doesn't!)

As for getting the Barksdale B-24, I'm not sure what the YAM would do with it right now. I believe they're using borrowed hangar space at the moment, and I'm not sure if they'd have room for another four-engine aircraft. Now maybe once they get their new hangar built....

SN

[Mark_Pilkington]

From what I understand, the Lackland Lib was a trade. The Brits gave the NMUSAF a Spitfire (for a B-24?!) that had a USAAF combat history. I don't know if the Brits also footed the bill for the fiberglas replica.

Unfortunately, about the only thing the Yankees would be able to do would be offer cash..and I doubt they had enough. Don't get me wrong, I love the YAM, but they've always had limited resources (name a museum that doesn't!)

As for getting the Barksdale B-24, I'm not sure what the YAM would do with it right now. I believe they're using borrowed hangar space at the moment, and I'm not sure if they'd have room for another four-engine aircraft. Now maybe once they get their new hangar built....

SN

Actually the Brits gave them an Australian spitfire with operational RAAF history in the defence of Darwin from Japanese attack, that has been painted up in ficticious US markings

but yes, the trade was for more than a plastic liberator.

Regards

Mark Pilkington

[mustangdriver]

Hey guys I am reaally not trying to start a fight, I just would like to see this B-24 come indoors, and the YAM get their B-24.

[mtpopejoy]

Me too.
I contacted the director of aircraft aquisition at YAM and got him the info on the Barksdale A/C.
......keeping fingers, toes, arms, legs, and eyes crossed!!!!!!

[Django]

That would be great if YAM could aquire it, even if just on "permanant loan". Hard to believe there are only 2 (?) Fords left.

[tulsaboy]

Django-

to the best of my knowledge, only 2 Fords left, NO Douglas-Tulsa built Ford kits left, not sure about any Dallas North American built examples, the balance are Consolidated Ft.Worth and San Diego examples.

Just a type that is on the verge of extinction, relatively speaking. When you get into the variants that are missing, that opens up another whole discussion. We've got two B-24A/LB-30, B-24D plus cockpits, no E, no G, (I think) no H, some Js, an L and two Ms. Compare to the B-17, where we've got the D-E-F-G all represented.

kevin

[Dan Johnson II]

From what I understand, the Lackland Lib was a trade. The Brits gave the NMUSAF a Spitfire (for a B-24?!) that had a USAAF combat history. I don't know if the Brits also footed the bill for the fiberglas replica.

Unfortunately, about the only thing the Yankees would be able to do would be offer cash..and I doubt they had enough. Don't get me wrong, I love the YAM, but they've always had limited resources (name a museum that doesn't!)

As for getting the Barksdale B-24, I'm not sure what the YAM would do with it right now. I believe they're using borrowed hangar space at the moment, and I'm not sure if they'd have room for another four-engine aircraft. Now maybe once they get their new hangar built....

SN

Actually the Brits gave them an Australian spitfire with operational RAAF history in the defence of Darwin from Japanese attack, that has been painted up in ficticious US markings

but yes, the trade was for more than a plastic liberator.

Regards

Mark Pilkington

The USAFM is in essence responsible for the Barksdale B24 correct? Their mission should be to see it gets the best possible chance at restoration and preservation. I don't know why they'd need anything in return beyond the promise of the proper care and feeding of that Ford built B24.

If there is a way to work it with YAM to restore and properly house that particular bird, I'd think the USAFM would be in support of it.

There certainly is plenty of evidence that the B24 isn't being cared for very well in it's present state.

[Warbird Kid]

Maybe the USAFM will some-how cut a deal with the YAF/YAM and become the US's private vintage display team? Kinda like the BBMF?

[APG85]

I might be wrong, but I think the NMUSAF's first priority is to display (beside the museum itself) planes on Air Force Bases. They will make trades with the NASM on occasion. The deal with Duxford was a very rare one. They probably consider the B-24 at Barksdale well cared for even though we (WIX) don't. Look how long it took the NMUSAF to step in and retrieve the Memphis Belle. I still think the YAM should ask the question...

[Dan Johnson II]

I might be wrong, but I think the NMUSAF's first priority is to display (beside the museum itself) planes on Air Force Bases. They will make trades with the NASM on occasion. The deal with Duxford was a very rare one. They probably consider the B-24 at Barksdale well cared for even though we (WIX) don't. Look how long it took the NMUSAF to step in and retrieve the Memphis Belle. I still think the YAM should ask the question...

Don't you feel like there ought to be a way for us to make this happen?

I don't know why this particular bird is getting under my skin, but it is. Wish I had lots of money.