THE 2008 Oshkosh Photo Diary

richkolasa · **Posted:** Thu Jul 24, 2008 8:57 am

Al,
Are you photoshop cockpit-qualified? If you are, you might want to remove the L-39s and Mohawk from the shot and maybe put a WW2 control tower in the background there? That'd be really cool, I think.

Rich

spookythecat · **Posted:** Thu Jul 24, 2008 9:29 am

richkolasa wrote:

Al,
Are you photoshop cockpit-qualified? If you are, you might want to remove the L-39s and Mohawk from the shot and maybe put a WW2 control tower in the background there? That'd be really cool, I think.

Rich

No fancy programs for me. What you see is what my PowerShot gets.

richkolasa · **Posted:** Thu Jul 24, 2008 10:08 am

They should be using that shot as an advertisement for what the result of their product can be.

Rich

skybolt2003 · **Posted:** Thu Jul 24, 2008 10:14 am

[quote="spookythecat"]I haven't received my new (EAA)Warbirds magazine yet but my dad told me my night shot of the P-47 last year got an honorable mention. It's my first shot in a magazine which is kinda exciting.

Did you enter it in the EAA Warbird photo contest? You know I saw the rules for it and they go for a big rights grab - all entries become property of the EAA for their permanent collection. It *REALLY* annoyed me that they would try and do that. I hope you all read the fine print on these contests . . .

spookythecat · **Posted:** Thu Jul 24, 2008 7:24 pm

richkolasa wrote:

They should be using that shot as an advertisement for what the result of their product can be.

Rich

I often find people surprised by what i'm shooting with. Heck, the fold out display has a big scratch across it from barbed wire while shooting at Paine Field. I really like it but hope to upgrade someday because it's frustrating not being able to get the flying shots i'd like. I don't have a lot of $$$ kicking around and have been thinking about a D40. Any suggestions would be welcome.

spookythecat · **Posted:** Thu Jul 24, 2008 7:25 pm

skybolt2003 wrote:

spookythecat wrote:

I haven't received my new (EAA)Warbirds magazine yet but my dad told me my night shot of the P-47 last year got an honorable mention. It's my first shot in a magazine which is kinda exciting.

Did you enter it in the EAA Warbird photo contest? You know I saw the rules for it and they go for a big rights grab - all entries become property of the EAA for their permanent collection. It *REALLY* annoyed me that they would try and do that. I hope you all read the fine print on these contests . . .

Eek! Well, I hope I didn't screw myself somehow. I don't recall anything too drastic on their end but i'll make sure to read and reread the fine print a few times.

Chicoartist · **Posted:** Thu Jul 24, 2008 7:38 pm

Beautiful P-47 shot, BTW!

skybolt2003 wrote:

. . . Did you enter it in the EAA Warbird photo contest? You know I saw the rules for it and they go for a big rights grab - all entries become property of the EAA for their permanent collection.

That happens more than you'd think. Artists in particular are very careful in that regard - spend hundreds of hours (all told) on a large painting and some bean-countin' dork wants ALL the rights to your work just to have the "honor" of letting you show your image in their rag ... I'm sorry, do the letters "F" and "O" mean anything to you? :lol:

I like how official Air Force publications do it, for one - usually run these days by civilian contractors, though most of the staff are ex-AF. Sometimes us outside artists are asked if they can use an image they like ... they SPECIFY right up front that they make no claims on rights, and the artists retain all copyrights after the image is used. And, unusually, they communicate promptly and professionally, send you all appropriate paperwork, and they pay quickly! As a result, they usually get top artwork on their covers, etc. I can see myself and the US Air Force having a long-term relationship in terms of my art career ... they keep bugging me to do more modern subjects, which I'm looking to do, but I did talk the Weapons School folks into doing a "retro" cover with one of my P-51s!

Wade

spookythecat · **Posted:** Fri Jul 25, 2008 2:54 am

Stopped out to the field Thursday night. Not much there yet. Some L-Birds, a P-51. P-40, T-34, Twin Beech, DC-3, T-6 & CJ-6.

Lynn Allen · **Posted:** Sat Jul 26, 2008 12:16 am

Who's P-51??

Lynn

spookythecat · **Posted:** Sat Jul 26, 2008 1:31 am

Lynn Allen wrote:

Who's P-51??

Lynn

I'm afraid I didn't get a close look at it.

Tulio · **Joined:** Mon May 03, 2004 1:05 am **Posts:** 3236

spookythecat wrote:

I don't have a lot of $$$ kicking around and have been thinking about a D40. Any suggestions would be welcome.

I just got my Canon 40D from B&H photo, last week. They have a "bill me later" feature, where anything above $700 IIRC, gets 6 months same as cash.....

This allows me, to make a good payment shortly after delivery, and then I have 6 months to pay the balance, interest free....

Maybe it is something you would want to consider?

Good luck!

Saludos,

Tulio

Bluedharma · **Posted:** Sat Jul 26, 2008 6:16 pm

SpookytheCat.

I just got my issue today.
Congrats!!!

richkolasa · **Posted:** Sat Jul 26, 2008 8:11 pm

By the way, Al. I've seen about 20 Warbirds photo contests, and a pretty good rule of thumb is that the "honorable mention" photos are usually the best, IMHO. Please save the flames, that's my opinion. No offense intended at the past winners, etc.

Rich

skybolt2003 · **Posted:** Sat Jul 26, 2008 8:23 pm

it is more the rule than the exception - the value of photography is being so undermined by rights grabs like these, well intentioned and talented amatuers undervaluing their work and giving it away. Check the fine print on flickr and some other sites. you may well be giving away more than you think.
By the way, I am a professional photographer and director in NYC. It is in every photographer, amateur and pro to understand rights, usage and copywrite, and then protect it.
www.bretwills.com

Chicoartist wrote:

Beautiful P-47 shot, BTW!

That happens more than you'd think. Artists in particular are very careful in that regard - spend hundreds of hours (all told) on a large painting and some bean-countin' dork wants ALL the rights to your work just to have the "honor" of letting you show your image in their rag ... I'm sorry, do the letters "F" and "O" mean anything to you? :lol:

I like how official Air Force publications do it, for one - usually run these days by civilian contractors, though most of the staff are ex-AF. Sometimes us outside artists are asked if they can use an image they like ... they SPECIFY right up front that they make no claims on rights, and the artists retain all copyrights after the image is used. And, unusually, they communicate promptly and professionally, send you all appropriate paperwork, and they pay quickly! As a result, they usually get top artwork on their covers, etc. I can see myself and the US Air Force having a long-term relationship in terms of my art career ... they keep bugging me to do more modern subjects, which I'm looking to do, but I did talk the Weapons School folks into doing a "retro" cover with one of my P-51s!

Wade

henning · **Posted:** Sat Jul 26, 2008 10:48 pm

I have to admit, I really liked the P47 shot. I think the timing and setup was excellent.
There were lots of cool shots in the Warbirds contest this year. The page that Bluedharma
scanned up and posted initially really threw me.. where was the 1st place picture?
eventually I realized there was a small note on the inside title page saying that the first
place ground to ground category was on the back cover.. It happened to be one of
mine from OSH last year. The story behind that picture is rather amusing as well.

The airshow was cranking away and they were recovering the WWII fighters on runway
36 and taxiing them back to the warbird area. Above they were bringing in the bombers
(B24 or lancaster & b17 from the east) to light off the wall of flame. The yak in the picture
was the last to land, after the sea fury, and others. As the yak is taxiing down and the
the bombers are approaching, the show boss has realized that while the other fighters
in front are fine, the yak isn't going to be cleared of the taxiway when the wall goes up,
so he's shouting on the radio "spitfire stop, spitfire stop, etc. then on the radio comes
some soul who says " Its not a spitfire... Its a YAK!!!!!" So the boss yells for the YAK
to stop, the yak stops and back taxii's clear of the area just in time for the bombers to
fly over the top and the wall to go up. I had been clicking on the bombers and
laughing about the radio exchange when I saw the Yak sitting there against the
smoke wall background and got a couple shots that you see on the back cover.

so thats the story behind the photo.

Anyway, I got a few nice shots in there. This was the first contest I ever entered and
now I'll have to go up against a bunch of you "Masters" category! Eeek. I hope the
weather cooperates this year. The forecast looks great.

Apologies for the thread owner.. but it was an OSH photo! :-)

.

henning

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