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PostPosted: Mon May 12, 2008 12:09 am 
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Heard of some local places that may contain some Aircraft wrecks, and am interested in seeing if I could find any thing. Is there any body I should get permission from before doing this, and what do I need to try to find them? Metal detector, Sonar if underwater? How do I get these. I'd like to take a weekend and go see what I can find. Some are in the woods, and others in some bodies of water. What else should I know. Any help is appreciated.


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What you need is first to research subject. Try to get old local newspaper, archive report or memory of some vitness. Then truy to talk with people arround the place- somebody could remember this event [in that way I found one crash place of Brguet XIX in one village in Serbia]. Then you anaylze the place and see what you need.... is the hand tool enogh to get to the relics or you more need Catepilar assistance.

About the same permission- if this is on private place you have to ask the owner of the land. If you are on state soil then you have to contact local authorities and inform in detail.

Also you need some expertoze of the arceologist. Every piece shuld be mark like the place where it was find, position, time, take an image and so on. You shpuld be also informed about the method of preserving and storing.

If you have info that somebody is killed there and body was not recovered, you must ontact military authorities and family first.

Hope this could be help in start of your adventure.

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Heard of some local places that may contain some Aircraft wrecks, and am interested in seeing if I could find any thing. Is there any body I should get permission from before doing this, and what do I need to try to find them? Metal detector, Sonar if underwater? How do I get these. I'd like to take a weekend and go see what I can find. Some are in the woods, and others in some bodies of water. What else should I know. Any help is appreciated.

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lets cut to the chase & get to the point....... if it's a navy crash you need permission, alot of patience & money, a big scissors for all the red tape, & a winning lottery ticket wouldn't hurt either :?

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lets cut to the chase & get to the point....... if it's a navy crash you need permission, alot of patience & money, a big scissors for all the red tape, & a winning lottery ticket wouldn't hurt either :?


If you don't plan to taking parts or digging for parts, do not ask permission! It is easier to ask forgiveness than permission. Most of the crash sites I've been to have been on State or Federal land (I guess all so far), it is not against the law to look around these sites. The land is there for YOUR use, go enjoy and leave the site as you found it and there should be no problem. If you start taking parts and you might be braking several laws and preventing someone else from enjoying the site in several years. Just think about what good that twisted piece of metal will be to you in 6 months or a year? Will it just end up in the dump or recycle center because you could careless about it down the road? Or will it just end up in a junk draw somewhere in you house or room?

AS far as private property, ask permission. It is just the right thing to do. If you have done research (news papers, crash reports…) I’ve been told the chances of getting let on the land will increase.

As far as finding sites, The Internet can be very helpful in finding known wreck sites. They can be very hard to find on Google, remember hikers find the sites not aviation interested folks so most of the time they have no idea what the plane is that they are looking at. You have to try several if not hundreds of different ways to phrase a plane crash to sometimes find what you are looking for. Dumb luck helps a ton also.

A great book to get or find is “fatal Army Airforces Aviation Accidents in the United States, 1941-1945” by Anthony Mirles. It is not cheap but the amount of information that is in that will blow your mind! But this is only accidents that crewmembers were killed in, not non-fatal accidents. There are aircraft still on mountainsides that no one was killed in.

Even with the book above crash reports will be needed. They give more detailed information on the crash sites, pilots, conditions and those all-important little details that might be the difference between finding the site and not finding the site.

Eye witness ands old newspapers are not an area that I’ve dug into very much yet. I’m going to start trying the newspaper side of the investigation soon as I have a few crash sites that I need a bit more information and I hope that some clueless reporter might have gotten the facts correct for once.

Also, what part of the country are you from? Sometimes you can find other people to tag along with

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This forum seems to be a good way to connect:

http://www.websitetoolbox.com/tool/mb/p ... =&trail=50

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PostPosted: Mon May 12, 2008 9:21 pm 
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First - Get a copy of a government crash report - in my case it was a log of all the B-17's, B-24's and B-25's that crashed in Colorado during WWII, with the crash coordinates noted by lat and long.

Second - Talk to a veteran or anyone that may have FIRST PERSON knowledge of said crashes. In my case it was with a guy that visited the crash site and took some real cool pictures, in this case of a B-24 that crashed on a mountain top.

Third - Confirm confirm confirm with noted knowledgeable party the location, in my case on the top of Trichera Peak, a 14,000 +foot mountain in the Sange De Cristo Mountain Range to the west/southwest of Colorado Springs. The Springs was a major B-24 training base and lots of planes were unfortunately lost during wartime training.

Fourth - Pack a good three or four day supply of goods, including cold whether gear (you never know at 14K), food, water, a USGS topo map and a compass.

Fifth - Take a buddy with you - it is better to hike in pairs when going up high. Also take a case of MGD and some nice choice cuts of steak for grilling for said hiking buddy.

Sixth - Hike approx 1/2 way up the mountain so that you can get an early start in the AM the next day. Imperative that you spend at least three or four hours at the crash site logging in data plates and snapping pictures of the site.

Seventh - Marvel at the tenacity of the huge raven-like birds of death, that swoop down and pull a 1/2 pound steak from the hot frying pan as if it was a feather - only to fly off and leave you hungry and PO'd that you did not bring any other food.

Eighth - Wake up in the am, so early in fact that the sun is just rising and the temperature is about 30 degrees - cold enough to freeze your water bottle that you conveniently left outside the tent just in case the huge raven-like birds of death were thirsty. Try to wake up your hiking buddy that managed to drink 10 of the 12 MGD's that you carried on your back up to the campsite. Eventually realize that he is going nowhere given the acute effects of alcohol at altitude and begin your ascent alone.

Ninth - When you get above tree-line, recall how it would been much easier had you actually used the membership to the gym to workout and get the lungs and heart ready for said ascent. Make sure you take four steps, turn and sit to catch breath. Rise, take another four steps and then sit again to catch your breath. Repeat nearly 100 times, until, with much fanfare, you arrive at the summit, making sure that you traversed the right part of the mountain to get to the spot where the plane resides.

Tenth and final step - Upon reaching the summit, of the correct mountain, after two long days of hiking and lung bursting agony, laugh hysterically as the airplane which you seek - in my case a B-24 - is nowhere in sight, having (you find this out later at the nearest bar in the nearest town) been recovered by scrap metal hunters approximately three months earlier.

Epilog - When you get home, feel free to follow up on the urge to burn the special top-secret coordinate listings, and vow "never again" to chase such dreams.


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then get a really good GPS remember money is no object. then go find your wreck and make your fortune. where do you get the mythical USAF wreckage locater you ask...well there is this guy I know who knows a guy who's friend has a friend who met a guy in prison that had an uncle who knew a guy who's fathers brothers sisters ex husband had an acquaintance with who met a guy who told him about another guy he saw once sell one. He also sells maps to the stars houses and shares in the Golden Gate bridge.

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I agree with Davem,

The URL he gave for the message board is a very helpful resource. Recently there was someone asking about how to get started in "wreck chasing" and there were some very helpful hints.

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